Introduction to Muzzleloading

He is easy to read but IMO he's too busy promoting it to provide the necessary guidance.

I keep reading about "lube" of some sort. But then @Addicting seems to be incredibly anti bore butter which is just lube right? Do you have to lube anything?

Just the threads on the breach. As far as the bore goes I just use a light gun oil after cleaning, then hit it with a paper towel on a jig.

Hasn’t failed in 20+ years.
 
He is easy to read but IMO he's too busy promoting it to provide the necessary guidance.

I keep reading about "lube" of some sort. But then @Addicting seems to be incredibly anti bore butter which is just lube right? Do you have to lube anything?
I was originally told to coat your barrel in bore butter before storing it. This was misinformation and caused more problems then it ever solved. @Addicting has it right a little on the breech plug is all thats needed and sense the invention of speed breeches isn't even as important. The only other use for lube is if you moved to shooting a round ball or Maxi ball ammo in a more traditional gun but that's about it for in line's.20241226_102246.jpg
 
I was originally told to coat your barrel in bore butter before storing it. This was misinformation and caused more problems then it ever solved. @Addicting has it right a little on the breech plug is all thats needed and sense the invention of speed breeches isn't even as important. The only other use for lube is if you moved to shooting a round ball or Maxi ball ammo in a more traditional gun but that's about it for in line's.View attachment 354449
Ok so lube is needed for the traditional setup
 
Ok so lube is needed for the traditional setup
You will need lube for the grooved bullets like above and for the patches of a patched round ball load. In bore butter or wonderlube work just fine for that But you can get everything prelude if you wish. Regular gun oil in your barrel between trips to the range is fine, but wipe it out before you load.
 
Ok, none of you told me that powder and primers were going to cost more and be harder to find than factory rifle ammo. I've dropped more on them and the accessories to clean them up, than I did on the gun!
 
Ok, none of you told me that powder and primers were going to cost more and be harder to find than factory rifle ammo. I've dropped more on them and the accessories to clean them up, than I did on the gun!
You should have bought a flint lock. Blackpowder is dead simple to find, as are rocks.
 
Since you're planning to use Blackhorn 209, here's something from Hodgdon's website to keep in mind in your search for primers.

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well shit. Glad I read through this thread before giving an update. I forgot about this little nugget.

I found almost zero time to mess with this at all. I likely won't hunt with it even though I picked up mz tags for deer and elk here in WA. I messed around with both the bore drivers and the powerbelts. Boredrivers seem to be the ticket. However, my puny shoulder can only take about 10 shots before I tap out. And I used most of those trying to get the damn sight adjusted.
 
well shit. Glad I read through this thread before giving an update. I forgot about this little nugget.

I found almost zero time to mess with this at all. I likely won't hunt with it even though I picked up mz tags for deer and elk here in WA. I messed around with both the bore drivers and the powerbelts. Boredrivers seem to be the ticket. However, my puny shoulder can only take about 10 shots before I tap out. And I used most of those trying to get the damn sight adjusted.
Haha. Good reminder I need to go shoot the muzzy and make sure everything is dialed and ready to go. I’m also doing muzzy deer and elk, good luck out there.
 
well shit. Glad I read through this thread before giving an update. I forgot about this little nugget.

I found almost zero time to mess with this at all. I likely won't hunt with it even though I picked up mz tags for deer and elk here in WA. I messed around with both the bore drivers and the powerbelts. Boredrivers seem to be the ticket. However, my puny shoulder can only take about 10 shots before I tap out. And I used most of those trying to get the damn sight adjusted.

Another good reason to switch to the Holy Black. I strongly recommend Swiss Black powder.
 
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That will whack something for sure. What do you figure your max range is?
If I have to free hand about 50 yards. If I can get a rest, the scope has a dial, so once I get some more trigger time I should be able to answer that more authoritatively, but I doubt it'll be over 200. Shit, I can't hardly see that dot at 100 yards, middle of the day.
 
Ok. After several range days I've settled on:
100 gr Black Horn
Fed 209m primers
340 gr Hornady Bore Driver
5 wacks with the rod

Here are my last two shots at 100 yards. Statistically irrelevant, but my shoulder was done.
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Looks good! But I gotta ask what do you mean by "5 whacks with the rod"? Where you referring to shooting 5 times or having to whack the bullet with the ramrod while loading? You shouldn't need to whack or hammer on the rod to seat your bullet just apply firm pressure till you feal it seat. Once you have a load chosen put the ramrod down the loaded barrel and mark the rod so that you have a reference to check that it's properly seated each time. Some guys just notch the rod with there knife but I use a thin strip of duct tape so if I change loads just peel it off and add a new one.
 

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