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280AI is a great cartridge, if wanting something different then what you already have, why not just get a savage ultralight, it already has a carbon fiber proof barrel and then swap the stock out if you don't like the fit.
 
Just my $.02, but as big of a proponent I am of the 280 AI, I think your best bet would be to nab a new stock for the m70 and get it threaded for break or suppressor. The 06 will do anything just as well. If you just want an AI, get the m70 rechambered in 30-06 AI and have a day.
 
(Long quote from T.R. on the choice of a rifle removed. @VikingsGuy said not to make him regret starting the thread.....)

I would restock the Winchester. I agree completely on Bell and Carlson stocks. The most expensive thing in my wasted money barrel is a B&C stock I bought for a Mauser build. It feels like holding a baseball bat by the fat end. I could have bought a lot of powder with that money.

I actually like the factory Winchester all-black plastic stock after a pillar job and little epoxy stiffening in the fore-end. I sometimes swap the factory stock out for a Hogue Overmold.

You can get the pillar kit from Brownell's or Midway and it's easy to install. I would buy the allen headed stock screws at the same time. On all the screw replacement kits I have done, the middle screw provided was too long. I had to dremel it off 1/8 to 3/16" and chase the threads with a die from Ace Hardware.

The factory M70 all-black extreme stocks are out there on eBay and GunBroker pretty regularly. Shopping Model 70 stocks you need to know the action length (long for .30-'06) and whether your bottom metal uses three screws or two.
 
Addicting said:
Rebarreling a 06 to a .308 is absolutely pointless and a huge waste of money.
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I agree, if you are happy with your 24" sporter 30-06 barrel then absolutely zero reason to switch to .308 24" sporter barrel.

If you want to run suppressed, 24" sporter barrels are not great options - too long, too whippy, often not enough dia. to thread for a .30 due to resulting thin wall, often not enough dia to good shoulder, etc.

So, if you want a good suppressed option, better to have an 18" barrel with sufficient dia to allow proper threading. Once you choose to go that route, there is a case for .308 over 30-06 as it relates to cartridge efficiency and blowing un-burden powder into your suppressor.
 
44hunter45 said:
(Long quote from T.R. on the choice of a rifle removed. @VikingsGuy said not to make him regret starting the thread.....)
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Damn, I love TR quotes.

My reference to regrets was about the possibility of @Hyphen posting a viagra commercial or ad for a new line of coolers he is starting, as at the time I posted for him he only had 1 post and could not start on his own.
 
44hunter45 said:
The most expensive thing in my wasted money barrel is a B&C stock I bought for a Mauser build.

. . . I sometimes swap the factory stock out for a Hogue Overmold.
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Proof that beauty/fit is in the eye of the beholder - as in my case I like my several B&C's on tikkas and the only aftermarket stock I have thrown out was a Hogue Overmold. ;)
 
I would not get an AI anything. Easier to get a rifle in a standard cartridge that will handle what you want. Wait, depending on the shooter, most cartridge's will handle pretty much anything. I think choosing the cartridge is merely a glitch in the shooter's brain. Like what is really better, a 280 or a 30-06? answer depends on the guy doing the shooting. I don't think getting something ammo is hard to fine is the thing to do unless you are a reloader. I have only ever owned one wildcat cartridge, still have it today. Rem 700 in 6.5x06. To be honest there's not much I can do with it that I can't do with my 6.5x55, a 260, a 7mm-08 a 308 ect, it'd advantage is all in my mind. I thing if I were to be honest, the thing to look for in a new cartridge is what loads you can come up with and shoot ability of the rifle. 243 is a lot easier on the shoulder than any 30-06, I have both! Another thing to consider with a new rifle is of course, availability of ammo. Now for reloaders that wouldn't be a problem unless, you forgot your ammo at home of lost it somehow along the way! maybe you simply brought the wrong box. Note, I can't find 6.5x06 ammo commercially in any store!

I actually did bring the wrong ammo one time. Went to a shooting preserve for birds and took along my 28ga, my Stormy, a Red Setter. Favorite bird vest, actually my only bird vest and a full box of 410 ammo! Somehow that just didn't work well!

I think the most important part of getting a new gun is deciding on the gun itself, not the cartridge.
 
Dougfirtree said:
I'm not 100% sure you can have everything you want with a .280 AI. The parts that seem to conflict are the desire to shoot heavy bullets, coupled with the desire for less recoil. I've never owned one, but I can't imagine that shooting 175 grain bullets in a .280 AI is going to get you much less recoil than your 'o6 with 168's. I might (respectfully) suggest that you worry less about big bullets. The fact that you've recognized recoil as something you'd like to reduce means it's probably affecting your shooting. Get something that legitimately kicks less, like a 7mm-08, or a 7x57. Maybe even something like a 6.5 PRC if your heart goes pitter patter over flatter trajectories. They'll all kill elk. Just my two cents.
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In my opinion the 280AI felt recoil was quite a bit less. I was shooting without a break in a sub 7 pound rifle and it wasn't unbearable. I did put a break on as recommended by the gun smith who built my rifle which makes it much more pleasant to shoot but it was way better then my 8.5-9 pound .30-06 even shooting the heaving 170 grain partitions.
edited to my perceived recoil: comparing a semi custom Kimber Montana 280AI (7lbs) to a Ruger American .30-06 with a heavier scope, rings, aftermarket pad that I never weighed.
 
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Not much difference in recoil between .284(7mm) rounds and .30 cal rounds shot out of long action case. The powder weights are about the same and the bullet weight and fps tend to be similar and what differences there are tend to balance themselves out.
 
ThunderNocked said:
In my opinion the 280AI felt recoil was quite a bit less. I was shooting without a break in a sub 7 pound rifle and it wasn't unbearable. I did put a break on as recommended by the gun smith who built my rifle which makes it much more pleasant to shoot but it was way better then my 8.5-9 pound .30-06 even shooting the heaving 170 grain partitions.
edited to my perceived recoil: comparing a semi custom Kimber Montana 280AI (7lbs) to a Ruger American .30-06 with a heavier scope, rings, aftermarket pad that I never weighed.
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Given the two rifles in question, that could also have alot to do with the stock and the recoil pad. You're driving a Porche against a Corolla.
 
Truly overthinking it and appreciate the comments. Trying to look through all the comments but will try to answer:
  • I'm fine with the recoil on my -06 with 168s but like the idea of 150s, that is what I started out shooting for deer but with factory ammo.
  • I've looked at Hogue stocks for the M70. Cheap and quick fix if indeed the grip is more vertical than traditional.
  • You know how you lose confidence in a gun? I've had issues closing the bolt on the M70 from day one with reloads. Maybe 1-3 in 10. Keep pushing shoulder back but ever once it in a while I have to step on bolt. Full length resize every round. Even does it with neck sizing fire formed. If I solve that (and it has prevented chambering a round yet), cutting and threading it is viable with a restock.
  • Been blessed with elk tags. First choice units in CO and NM last 3 years as non-resident, including 16A in Gila last year.
Really leaning toward a fresh start with an unsuppressed -06 or 308 light Tikka for elk and a suppressed 6.5 CM or PRC Tikka for the rest. That keeps all my primary guns the same feel of stock and action.
 
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Dougfirtree said:
Given the two rifles in question, that could also have alot to do with the stock and the recoil pad. You're driving a Porche against a Corolla.
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That is a fair assessment and I’ve never driven a Porsche or shot a higher end .30-06.

I thought the significant weight difference would increase the felt recoil of the lighter rifle at right at 7 lbs but it still was a lot more pleasant to shoot. But it could be like the stock was just so bad on the Ruger. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Don’t know but I love shooting that Double Broomed Mountain Rifle!
 
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