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Grizzly Bear Advisory Council - Public Comments

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The Governor Steve Bullock of Montana assembled a Grizzly Bear Advisory Council a while back. These folks have meetings across the state, and they invite the public to attend and have their say in how they feel grizzly bears in Montana should be managed, and whether they should be taken off the Endangered Species list or not. This group consists of I believe roughly 16 people from diverse backgrounds. This does include a few of the folks who are associated with anti-hunting and radical conservation organizations.

I attended one meeting in Missoula, and I tried to ask a couple of questions and was shut down by the person with FWP who was leading the meeting. In case you were wondering what questions I asked of the Council are as follows: 1.) How many of you on the council are outdoors folks who hunt, and who typically hunt at least a few days each year? 2.) How many of you on the Council would like to see hunting as one of the management tools used if the Grizzly Bear is delisted? 3.) If hunting does become a part of the management of the bears and their population, how many of you on the Council would apply for a permit to hunt one of these amazing animals? I was told that it was too early in the process to consider questions like that. Now they had been having these meetings for a few months by the time of the meeting I attended. I felt that there was no reason that each member of this Council could not answer them. I was just wanting to get an idea of what the make-up of this Council was and what the opinions of the members on this subject was. I was not impressed.

I am a member of a couple different Sportsmans groups in Montana and through that membership, the members were advised that the anti-hunting groups across the United States have solicited their members to send thousands of comments to the Grizzly Bear Advisory Council, in an attempt to prevent any hunting of the bears.

Montana is still working on getting the Grizzly Bear delisted from the Endangered Species list. I feel that hunting should be a part of that management tool and that when they are delisted that a very limited number of permits should be allotted as part of this to control populations in Montana.

You don't have to agree with me as we each can make our own minds up on this issue. No matter what side of the fence you are on, I would hope that as many of you folks as possible write in comments to the Council on this matter. If we do not voice our opinion and are heard, then we don't have any right to complain if this doesn't go the way in which we hoped it would.

One of my fears is that Governor Steve Bullock, who has termed out this year, might make some decisions before he leaves office on what happens to the Grizzly Bears in our State, which may prove difficult if not impossible to change. I will give an example why I'm afraid something like that might happen. I believe it was last year that a couple different groups in Montana wanted to have something put in the Constitution of Montana that Trapping would be an activity to be preserved in our state as a guaranteed right as Hunting and Fishing currently are. He vetoed that piece of legislation to make that happen!

I urge all of you to make comments as you feel called to do. You DO NOT have to be a citizen of Montana to comment on this either. On the top of the page is the direct connection to the link with Montana Fish, Wildlife, & Parks. Thanks for hearing me out.

David
 
I think your questions were / are valid and the sooner they are considered, the better.

The trapping as a Montana Constitutional amendment, clause or in whatever form, is a separate and distinctly different constitutional, legal, and Montana ethos issue which warrants as much study and public involvement and discourse as Grizzly Bear management. I am opposed to legislative bills which force such constitutional revision without serious and lengthy process ... regardless of the issue.
 
Not sure if you've seen this, but here's the bios for members- http://fwp.mt.gov/fishAndWildlife/management/grizzlyBear/gbacMembers.html

In my opinion, it's a decent mixture of folks from varying viewpoints, but seems a little heavy on the Ag side of things. I personally would've liked to see at least one more hunting/conservation member besides just Gevock, although I know Chad Bauer is a die-hard hunter.

There are 7 that lean hard towards environmentalist that are going to battle against hunting, and 7 rooted in AG. A few that aren’t affiliated with either. I’d venture to guess that those ranchers are going to be much more on board with grizzly management with some hunting as opposed to the others. Cole Mannix definitely hunts. Not to assume too much, but I’d be shocked if we could say that for Byrd, Dieterich, and Edge.

It’s a diverse group that can hopefully get something accomplished.
 
Not sure if you've seen this, but here's the bios for members- http://fwp.mt.gov/fishAndWildlife/management/grizzlyBear/gbacMembers.html

In my opinion, it's a decent mixture of folks from varying viewpoints, but seems a little heavy on the Ag side of things. I personally would've liked to see at least one more hunting/conservation member besides just Gevock, although I know Chad Bauer is a die-hard hunter.
When I asked the question about who on the panel were hunters and do it annually, it was almost exactly half of the group that raised their hands before I was shut down. That at least made me feel a little better.
 
I think your questions were / are valid and the sooner they are considered, the better.

The trapping as a Montana Constitutional amendment, clause or in whatever form, is a separate and distinctly different constitutional, legal, and Montana ethos issue which warrants as much study and public involvement and discourse as Grizzly Bear management. I am opposed to legislative bills which force such constitutional revision without serious and lengthy process ... regardless of the issue.
I get and completely understand the trapping thing is a whole other situation, but I just wanted to put that out there. I'm afraid that Bullock might try and get a bunch of stuff passed before he leaves office that might not be so good.
 
I get and completely understand the trapping thing is a whole other situation, but I just wanted to put that out there. I'm afraid that Bullock might try and get a bunch of stuff passed before he leaves office that might not be so good.
Bullock isn’t dumb. He lives in MT, not Washington or Cali. The guy wants a career in politics and that won’t happen in MT if he starts pulling dumb moves.
 
I'm afraid that Bullock might try and get a bunch of stuff passed before he leaves office that might not be so good.
Full disclosure, not of either party affiliation but I do like Bullock. I don't think it's his nature or attitude to try to "get a bunch of stuff passed" prior to leaving office. Furthermore, he's gone before the Legislature meets again. Aside from serious approach to COVID-19 restrictions, he is not an executive branch administrator who questionably and unreasonably wields power ... as we have too often witnessed as usual business for both Democrat and Republican Presidents.
 
I get and completely understand the trapping thing is a whole other situation, but I just wanted to put that out there. I'm afraid that Bullock might try and get a bunch of stuff passed before he leaves office that might not be so good.
Why would you have that concern?
 
Why would you have that concern?
I too like Bullock and think he's done a good job as our Governor. I guess with the political climate as it is anymore I guess I'm just a bit gun-shy about the possibility of something like that happening. Maybe I should not have put it in that context which I did and to be honest I too don't think he'd try and pull some crap like that. He hasn't since he's been governor, at least as far as I can see.
 
GREAT NEWS TO REPORT: Thanks to all that made comments on this issue! There was a livestream meeting yesterday and the Governor's Grizzly Bear Advisory Council voted 14-4 to FAVOR a grizzly bear hunting season. Your voices do make a difference. If you have not made any comments yet but were thinking about doing it, it is not too late to do so. Continue letting your hunting and outdoors friends know about this and keep sending comments. It will do a lot of good to continue to show support.

David
 
That is really great news. But not to be negative, if a season is started for 2020 or 2021 what is to stop another famous judge in Helena from stopping it again?
 
David,

I know you are well aware of my never ending struggles on the other side of the border. The ban on Grizzly hunting in B.C., the attempted ban on Grizzly hunting in The Yukon, the lowering of hunt permits on Grizzly in The Yukon, the never ending and I mean never ending struggle to keep Polar Bear hunting possible and to get the honest facts to the public that the Polar Bear numbers are increasing. It was amazing to me that the program we put forth to reduce moose/vehicle accidents----sell more moose hunts, reduce moose from the highways, increase revenues to pay for fences along some stretch of highways was a no brainer, but since in all that the words "hunting" was included, it was a battle to sell.

Continue to ask your questions to as many outlets ( written and visual ) as you can. Stay on message and always present yourself and your message well. Dont forget the press is suppose to be neutral but they are not, so stay calm and on message.

We tried, at your request but was told we we not residents of the state of Montana, but they heard what we said, so maybe it registered to some. Hope so.

14-4 is Great News. That ratio hopefully will deter any new adverse action in the near future

Kensley . Nothing,---'IF" someone files a lawsuit, it will work its way thru the court. I would be more concerned about a "revised" effort to put something on the ballet in the future.

CONGRATULATIONS MONTANA
 
That is really great news. But not to be negative, if a season is started for 2020 or 2021 what is to stop another famous judge in Helena from stopping it again?
My understanding is the 14-4 vote is only that the council will support using hunting as a management tool IF they are ever delisted, which at this point they are not.
 
The committee has had virtual public meetings the last couple of days and even after today they are still seeking public input. We hunting folks need to make our feeling known. If you don't speak up no bitching in allowed! I went on-line and sent in an e-mail. I figured that would be simpler than trying to do it on the web-cast. This is what I stated for whatever it's worth.



Thank you to each and every member of this team who has taken time out of their lives to be a part of this conversation. I love Montana and everything about it. We are so blessed to live in a state where we have an abundance of wildlife which also includes the majestic grizzly bear. The grizzly bear numbers are healthy, growing, and they are also expanding their ranges into areas that haven’t seen this great animal for 100 years. We are so very lucky to share the landscape with these majestic animals.


If it were not for sportsmen and women such as Teddy Roosevelt, we would not be so blessed. President Roosevelt helped to establish the Boone & Crockett Club which was the first conservation group of its kind. This is their Mission Statement as noted on their website.


B&C Mission
It is the mission of the Boone and Crockett Club to promote the conservation [boone-crockett.org] and management of wildlife, especially big game, and its habitat, to preserve and encourage hunting and to maintain the highest ethical standards of fair chase [boone-crockett.org] and sportsmanship in North America.

This was their mission in the beginning and this mission continues to this day. In addition thanks to sportsman and women there have been many other organizations such as the Boone & Crockett Club who have put not only their dollars, but boots on the ground projects so that our world continues to not only have big-game animals, but birds, fish, and many others so that our children will also be able to enjoy them in our great outdoors. Just a few of these groups are the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Safari Club International, Trout Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, The Mule Deer Foundation and so forth. According to my latest Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation magazine the following dollars have been contributed by sportsman and women with taxes they imposed on themselves in the form of licenses and gear so that our wild places remain wild and that we have abundant animal populations.

EXCISE TAXES: Serious Coin for Conservation

$22 Billion : generated since 1937 for state fish & wildlife agencies

$1 Billion : revenue per year since 2014


HUNTING & FISHING LICENSES: Another Bonanza for Conservation

$1.5 Billion : license sales generated in 2015

$686 Million : fishing licenses

$821 Million : hunting licenses


Sportsman and women have contributed greatly not only monetarily but in a lot of sweat equity so that WE ALL are able to enjoy the diverseness that is present in our great outdoors of the United States and abroad. I love the outdoors and I love to hunt, fish, trap, camp, and just about anything else you can think of outdoors.

It is my hope that in the near future with the grizzly bear populations continuing to grow that they will be delisted. I also feel very strongly that hunting should be ONE OF THE MANAGEMENT TOOLS that will be used in the future to help manage the populations and their continued growth. There are NO PEOPLE in Montana that care as much about the grizzly bears and their health as do the many women, men, and children who participate in hunting, fishing, and other outdoor pursuits. It is because of people such as these that we will continue our conservation of this great animal and others.

Thank you for your time.

David
 

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