ALRIGHT!!!!! it's about time!

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– In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005. The former border guards in El Paso, Texas, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.

"After four years of fighting this, it's taken a toll on me and my daughter, and really the whole family," said Joe Loya, Ramos' father-in law, who has received tens of thousands of supportive e-mails and spent much of the past two years traveling the country to speak about the case.

He said his daughter, Monica Ramos, called from New York after learning the news that her husband was to be released from a federal prison just outside Phoenix.

"She could hardly speak," Loya said.

Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.

Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

Compean and Ramos, were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van of marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

Compean and Ramo were sentenced to 12 years and 11 years in prison, respectively. They each also were fined $2,000 and sentenced to three years of supervised release. Under the terms of Bush's commutation, their prison sentences will expire on March 20, but their three-year terms of supervised release and the fines will remain intact.

With the new acts of clemency, Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.

That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan issued during their two-term tenures. Bush technically has until noon on Tuesday when President-elect Barack Obama is sworn into office to exercise his executive pardon authority, but presidential advisers said no more were forthcoming.

The president had made most of his pardon decisions on low-profile cases, but his batch in December created controversy.

Isaac Robert Toussie of Brooklyn, N.Y, convicted of making false statements to the Department of Housing and Urban Development and of mail fraud, was among 19 people Bush pardoned just before Christmas. But after learning in news reports that Toussie's father had donated tens of thousands of dollars to the Republican Party a few months ago, as well as other information, the president reversed his decision on Toussie's case.

The White House said the decision to revoke the pardon — a step unheard of in recent memory — was based on information about the extent and nature of Toussie's prior criminal offenses, and that neither the White House counsel's office nor the president had been aware of a political contribution by Toussie's father and wanted to avoid creating an appearance of impropriety.

In an earlier high-profile official act of forgiveness, Bush saved Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, from serving prison time in the case of the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstructing justice. Bush could still grant him a full pardon, although Libby has not applied for one.

Clinton issued a total of 457 in eight years in office. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, issued 77 in four years. Reagan issued 406 in eight years, and President Carter issued 563 in four years. Since World War II, the largest number of pardons and commutations — 2,031 — came from President Truman, who served 82 days short of eight years.
 
Better watch it schmalts....anything positive on dubya & Jose'll have you on ignore.:cool:
 
Should have been pardoned instead of commuted.

At least they will be out soon.
 
Jabber, anything is better than what GW has done in the last couple years on this matter
 
Why do you think GW was too much of a coward to Pardon these guys when they were first convicted? You think ol' Dubya thought they needed a bit of time in the ol' GrayBar Hotel to learn a lesson?
 
Why do you think GW was too much of a coward to Pardon these guys when they were first convicted? You think ol' Dubya thought they needed a bit of time in the ol' GrayBar Hotel to learn a lesson?

Wouldn't it be a blast to sit around this guys campfire.........:wank:
 
I guess I don't know much about this case...why did the border patrol officers attempt to cover up the shooting? Normally, (not always), but normally when a person wants to cover it up...THEY think they did something wrong. It sounds like the case went before the appeals board and held muster. It also sounds like GW believes they were guilty just thought the prison term was too long. Anyways, why did they try to cover up the shooting?
 
Matt, maybe they got sick of seeing Mexicans breaking the law that no one enforced so they thought they would try taking things into thier own hands
 
Schmalts-while I understand the anger and the frustration, it's not the job of the border patrol to "take things into their own hands". Their job is to make sure the laws are enforced correctly. If they disagreed with the laws and the way things go...they should have quit before breaking the law. Honestly, did they break the law or not? I really know very little about this case.
 
what you need to know is the sentence they got was bullshit. 12 years for shooting a illegal drug dealer in the ass. The guy is alive, and they made him star witness and basicly gave him everything on a silver platter. The example set, was the opposite it should have been showing you can break the law by smuggling, and get away with it.
The years these guys served already was more than the whole sentence should have been.
 
Should have been pardoned instead of commuted.

At least they will be out soon.


I agree ... But at least they are free...Yes they got screwed from the Start....Our Government used an asshole US attorney [John "boy" Sutton] and and scum bag Drug Dealer to convict 2 B.P agents... they manipulated the jury [ std. procedure].... Too bad these 2 fine men have Felony convictions on their record and lost their pension....Bush did something 1/2 right... He wasn't about to take the chance that Obama would pardon them..... But As they say "never look a gift horse in the mouth" :)
 
Exactly what my wife said I agree.

This story didn’t get much air time on the network news, I never heard it mentioned.

These two agents should become folk heroes. They were nothing more than political prisoners.
 
full article: http://www.huntingtonnews.net/columns/090104-kinchen-columnspresidentialpardons.html

It's "Pardon Me" time in Washington, DC, but two men who really deserve pardons are still waiting on President George W. Bush.

I'm talking about Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos, two former U.S. Border Patrol Agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler who was trying to escape. Osvaldo Aldrete Davila was shot in the buttocks while he was fleeing from an abandoned van loaded with 750 pounds of marijuana. Compean and Ramos believed Davila was armed -- a likely supposition given the all-out drug war being fought in much of Mexico and spilling over into the border states of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
 
I have talked to hundreds of B.P. agents.....They have never encountered or arrested a drug runner entering illegally at a "non-point of entry"... that WAS NOT ARMED!
 
the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.
Sorry guys, but I think these guys just about deserved what they got. They didn't need to spend ten years in prison, but they needed to at least lose their jobs and face some type of consequence.

These guys know protocol re a shooting and not only did they not follow it but they purposely covered up what happened. Regardless of what is going on on our borders, we cannot have law enforcement officers, who are placed in a position of trust, shooting people and covering up the evidence. That same evidence is what is used to justify their actions and make their lives and jobs continue as normal.
 
They should have Smoked the "Scumbag" and left him for the Coyoteshump
 

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