Remember when 30,000 salmon died?

[Ithaca 37]

Here's the rest of the story! Turns out Bush was behind it!

"Last September, 33,000 chinook salmon died in the Klamath River in northern California. The California Department of Fish and Game laid much of the blame on low flows controlled by the federal government for creating conditions that allowed a fatal gill rot disease to spread through the fish."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030906/ap_on_go_pr_wh/rove_interior_2

 

[whitedeer]

Ithaca.....you are so full of shit you would make a catfish grin.

Your bogus posts in blaming Bush for everything that happens smacks of pure rot gut rubbish spewing forth from some greenies asshole!.....Get a life Bozo!

 

[Ithaca 37]

Whitedeer, Perhaps you'd care to refute the Associated Press article instead of attacking the person who posted it?

 

[whitedeer]

Why refute the article.....they are a dime a dozen......I would rather bring to task the ones who twist everything to their own liking!

 

[Ithaca 37]

Just as I thought,

you can't refute it. Well then how about showing us a few of the posts you say I've made "blaming Bush for everything that happens"? Do you think you can do that, or am I going to have to expose you as a liar again?

Last time I challenged you to prove your claims you went away with your tail tucked between your legs and disappeared from SI for a few months.

Are you drunk again tonite?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 09-06-2003 23:30: Message edited by: Ithaca 37 ]</font>

 

[whitedeer]

Gawd.....Ithica.....A legend in his own mind still.......At least you can fool yourself buddy, if no one else.......You kind of enjoy playing with yourself.....don't you?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Despite Whitedeer and Ithica's bantering, the article does have some entertaining charges against the Bush Administration...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The inspector general at the Interior Department will look into possible political interference by the White House in developing water policy in the Klamath River Basin in the Northwest.

The inquiry follows the disclosure that President Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, briefed dozens of political appointees at the Interior Department more than a year and a half ago about diverting water from the Klamath River in Oregon to irrigate farms.

Rove's briefing of Interior's political appointees in January 2002 took place following a trip by Bush and Rove to Oregon, where they focused on the Klamath water issue. Rove made a second trip to Oregon before the department decided to increase the water flow to farms.

Seeking to help their farm constituencies, Republican leaders in the Northwest wanted to divert water to farmers.
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[Ithaca 37]

Whitedeer tries to divert attention from the real issue by attacking me.

That's why he's such a loser.

 

[whitedeer]

Not only should you be attacked, Ithaca, but eliminated completely from the gene pool.

Ooops.....sorry gang.....old age has taken care of that problem.....hope it wasn't too late

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 09-07-2003 15:42: Message edited by: whitedeer ]</font>

 

[BigHornyRam]

Evil farmers. Who needs them anyway?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Looks like we could use a few less Dairy Farmers.... Or do you support the Welfare program where the gov't buys milk to prop up the Industry and then gives the Milk to other countries as foreign aid and school kids?
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Congressional policy creates mountains of surplus milk
Knight Ridder News

WASHINGTON – Got milk? Uncle Sam sure does.

In caves and giant warehouses, the U.S. government is storing mountains of powdered milk that taxpayers were required to buy, even though nobody is sure what to do with it all.

The dry-milk stockpile has hit a record 1.28 billion pounds, and it’s still growing – a side effect of U.S. dairy policies that critics say encourage overproduction of milk, increase taxpayer costs and force a reluctant U.S. Department of Agriculture to buy powdered milk to bolster dairy prices.

“We don’t want it,” said Bill March, a USDA official involved in the program. “We try very hard to minimize the intake of surplus commodities.”

Reducing the surplus
But as powdered milk piles up, the USDA is scrambling to reduce the surplus. The department has offered it to school lunch programs and food banks, for foreign aid programs and for feeding postwar Iraq. It even shipped more than 200 million pounds out west, for drought-stricken ranchers to feed to cattle.

And yet, “It’s like a treadmill – they can only keep up with where they are, but they’re not really cutting into the storage,” said Don Ault, a dairy specialist at Sparks Cos. in Minnesota. “With a billion pounds, that’s a huge amount of powdered milk stocks, and it’s extremely difficult to get rid of” without also destroying the powdered milk businesses in America.

For dairy farmers in the Upper Midwest, the situation is a double frustration. First, because it underscores how low milk prices have fallen. But also, the milk surplus is occurring mostly on the West Coast, not in the Midwest, although dairy farmers nationwide feel the effect.

“In the Midwest, we’re not overproducing. In fact we’re short of milk here,” said Sue Beitlich, a dairy farmer south of LaCrosse, Wis. She added, “For two years, we have been experiencing 1978 prices, and we have 2003 expenses. Can you imagine if your paycheck reflected what you earned in 1978, but you were living in today’s economy?”

Minnesota’s dairy industry contributes $8 billion to the state’s economy, and ranks sixth nationally in milk production. Wisconsin, dubbed America’s Dairyland, stands at No. 2 in milk production, thanks to 1.2 million cows.

Officials from both states have stressed the importance of keeping milk production robust in the Upper Midwest if the region’s dairy processors are to thrive.

Nationally, however, the swelling size of the milk stockpile is an embarrassment to U.S. agriculture boosters, including some members of Congress. That’s partly because of the cost: Every pound of nonfat dry milk in storage cost taxpayers 80 cents, so it’s a $1 billion mountain. And that doesn’t count storage costs, from renting space in caves around Kansas City to leasing warehouses around the nation.

‘Powdered-milk mountain’
A mountain of government-surplus food provides a juicy target for critics. During the Reagan administration, a glut of surplus government cheese became a national punch line – a surplus produced by the very program that has produced today’s powdered milk mountain.

“Same program – nothing’s changed,” said the USDA’s March, branch chief in the domestic procurement and donation division.

March explains how the program functions: “It is congressional statute that we have a dairy price support program, and the intention is to support milk prices at the current rate of $9.90 a hundredweight. When milk falls (below that price) to a certain level, we have to buy what is offered by industry.”

Lately, prices are low enough to send USDA buying, at least on the West Coast. A week ago it bought $7.6 million of powdered milk, bringing its 10-month shopping list to $575 million.

That intervention has kept milk prices from falling below $9.90 per hundred pounds. But to the critics of government farm subsidies, it’s yet another example of Washington policymakers sending crossed and conflicting signals.
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[Ithaca 37]

I get tired of hearing farmers and ranchers bitch about not making any money. The great thing about the good ol' US of A is that everyone is free to quit their job and go do something else anytime they want.

But I don't want to get off topic here, although I'm sure Whitedeer would like to. This whole deal with the salmon dying last year smelled fishy right from the start. Now the truth is going to come out. Whether you like Bush or not, anyone with a brain would have to see that he's been terrible on the environmental issues, and that's one of the main things I judge politicians on because I love to hunt, fish, breathe clean air and drink clean water.

Losers like Whitedeer, Ten Bears and Paul can't be serious hunters or they'd be more aware of what effects their hunting.

 

[Ten Bears]

GOT MILK. Wow that's alot of milk. We should be shipping milk, rice and grain overseas as foreign aid, and spend our cash at home.

 

[MULE]

Ithica quote:Losers like Whitedeer, Ten Bears and Paul can't be serious hunters or they'd be more aware of what effects their hunting.
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God has spoken

 

[cjcj]

Ithaca you know you hate Bush, but i have to tell you after watching the democrats debate each other on TV, i have to say they are collectively the biggest group of phoney prick`s i have ever seen! And your buddy Howie Dean was the Worst!

 

[Ithaca 37]

cj, I really don't hate Bush. I wouldn't waste the energy to hate any politician. I think Bush's environmental policies are terrible and the main issue I judge politicians on is how their policies affect hunting and fishing and my outdoor recreation. Bush's policies affect my hunting, fishing and outdoor recreation very negatively. Now, if I were a fat assed ATV rider or a fat assed snowmobile rider I'd probably think his policies were affecting my outdoor recreation in a positive way, even though I deep down would know they were bad for the environment.

 

[Ten Bears]

IT, just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong. I hunt seriously, but I kill only what I'm going to consume.

 

[GatoMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ithaca 37:
The great thing about the good ol' US of A is that everyone is free to quit their job and go do something else anytime they want<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your right Ithaca and if you love salmon so much you got the right to move outta anti salmon Idaho to alaska where theres so many of them you can live amonst the bears, catch salmon all day long or simply just roll around in there rotting carcass's on the bank while singing god bless america....ain't america great

 

[Ithaca 37]

Gato, What makes you think Idaho is anti salmon? Try to break it down between the politicians and the people of Idaho, please.

 

[GatoMan]

Ithaca anymore if your against breaching the dams your considered anti-salmon. Why don't you break down the #s for me instead, you have way more time on your hands then you know what to do with anyways. Show me a poll that shows the # of people in Idaho that are for dams and salmon both.