Relax, Everything is Going to be Okay!

[Gulf of America]

How so?

While a Wyoming Driver's License is RealID compliant, Montana has RealID and non-RealID driver's licenses and Wyoming will accept any Montana DL to register. I also know that university ID's are not RealID compliant.

 

[Bighorner]

The old saying that politics is for perfomative artists that are unattractive is going out the window, thanks to social media.

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I can think of a number of "unatractive perfomative artists" that have been assaulted in the past 10 years, including the President.

That's fair point

 

[El Jason]

I love a good game of hypothetical.

Nice deflection. You like your hypothetical but refuse to answer mine?

 

[BigHornRam]

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While a Wyoming Driver's License is RealID compliant, Montana has RealID and non-RealID driver's licenses and Wyoming will accept any Montana DL to register. I also know that university ID's are not RealID compliant.

Proof of United States citizenship may be satisfied by any of the following:
A valid Wyoming driver's license or a valid Wyoming ID card, provided that the license or ID card does not contain any indication that you are not a U.S. citizen;
A valid tribal ID card issued by the governing body of the Eastern Shoshone Tribe or the Northern Arapaho Tribe of the Wind River Indian Reservation or any other federally recognized Indian Tribe, provided that it does not contain any indication that you are not a U.S. citizen;
A valid driver's license or ID card issued by any other state consistent with the REAL ID Act, provided that it does not contain any indication that you are not a United States citizen;
A valid United States Passport;
A certificate of U.S. citizenship;
A certificate of naturalization;
A U.S. military draft record or selective service registration acknowledgment card;
A consular report of birth abroad issued by the U.S. Department of State; or
An original or certified copy of a birth certificate in the U.S. bearing an official seal.

 

[Bonasababy]

That wasn't my point.

I was just pointing out the numbers are close.

Take those 10 percent that were mentioned.

Apply it to 2024.

We have no way of knowing who those 10 percent may or may not have voted for.

If we had a Real ID voter requirement in 2024, and 10 percent were eliminated just because of that, hard to say how those cards would have fallen, and who those votes would go for.

Maybe but the intent is crystal clear--to prevent groups that data show generally vote for democrats from voting. You don't have to know exactly who someone voted for to know that targeting native americans, blacks, and people who live in blue districts from voting can have an impact.

They know it....that's what motivates them.

 

[mevertsen]

My wife and I just registered to vote in Wyoming recently. Their process is well thought out, and not at all a burden. I'm good with that.

You still are missing my point.

What im saying is the 10 percent is huge when looking at national elections, regardless of how easy it is to register.

Thats all.

But to your point.

My wife has been registered to vote in Nevada for her entire adult life. And so have I. I've had the same address since 2007. Her since 2013 when we married. Both on our property deed, insurance, bills, all of it.

Now her getting a REAL ID?

Totally different story. That was a months long process.

Born here. Married to me here, and it took forever to get it sorted out.

 

[Bonasababy]

We really don't know how many noncitizens are voting, and we also don't know how many people voted in multiple states. We currently have no way to figure it out.

I know that multiple ballots were sent to houses when the people had moved to another state already. There really wasn't any way to prevent someone from filling the ballot out and returning them.

I do know with certainty that at least one person working at one WA Licensing location encouraged noncitizens to register to vote almost 25 years ago. How many noncitizens were registered?

You are welcome to think it doesn't matter, but there are many elections that are won or lost by less than one percent. It doesn't take much to change an election.

The rumors don't hold true in most all states. If you are open to the facts, you might want to read what your own state says.

Rumor Has It… | WA Secretary of State

www.sos.wa.gov

Reality: Vote-by-mail is secure.​

Rumor: Vote-by-mail enables fraud and is not secure.


Facts: Washington’s vote-by-mail system uses multiple layers of safeguards to minimize fraud and keep our elections safe, secure, and accessible. Despite claims of vote-by-mail enabling widespread fraud, the system of tabulation equipment, verification processes, and trained election staff ensure every valid vote is verified and counted correctly.


Before a ballot can even be accepted, election staff verify the signature on the return envelope to ensure that a ballot from only a registered voter is accepted. Only one ballot per voter will be counted in each election. Election officials track when a voter’s ballot is accepted to ensure no additional ballots are counted after that. Voters can also see when their ballot has been accepted at VoteWA.gov. Under Washington State Administrative Code, the secretary of state cannot certify any voting system if it uses wireless communication in any way. A voting system is the software and equipment used to cast, count, and report vote tallies. Before use in any election, all voting systems must meet standards set by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) and pass state inspection and testing to confirm the lack of wireless communication. Pre- and post-election audits further ensure tabulation systems are working correctly and providing accurate results.


Ballot counting and processing are also open for public observation, providing transparency throughout. Learn more about how Washington election officials protect your vote on our Securing Your Vote page.

Reality: Washington election workers verify ballot envelope signatures.​

Rumor: Washington does not check ballot envelope signatures.


Facts: Signature verification is an important step in preventing fraud and ensuring that only ballots from registered Washington voters are counted. Before your ballot is even removed from its return envelope, trained election workers verify that your signature matches the one on your voter registration. For Washingtonians who registered to vote through the Department of Licensing, that signature is the same one used on their driver’s license, permit, or state ID.


Election workers are trained by experts in signature verification, and every ballot envelope signature is reviewed. If a signature isn’t accepted after the first review, a different reviewer conducts the second review. If the signature doesn’t pass a second review, the elections office will contact the voter and send a signature cure form. Signatures under review are not verified unless this form is completed. Forms can be returned up until the day before county certification.

Reality: Non-citizens are not eligible to vote in Washington.​

Rumor: Washington registers non-citizens to vote.


Facts: You must be a U.S. citizen to be eligible to vote in Washington state. A full list of voter eligibility requirements can be found on the Voter Eligibility web page.


Washington’s voter registration process requires proof of identity such as a valid Washington driver's license number, permit, state identification card number, or the last four digits of a Social Security number. This information is verified against records from the Washington Department of Licensing (DOL) and the Social Security Administration (SSA).


If a voter’s registration information does not match the records on file with DOL or SSA, they may be provisionally registered. However, their ballot will not be counted until they provide valid identification. Knowingly casting a ballot while ineligible is a class C felony, punishable by up to five years in prison, a $10,000 fine, or both. Many state election laws — including those regarding voter eligibility, registration, and voter roll maintenance — can be found in our state Constitution, RCW 29A, and WAC 434. According to WAC, OSOS is required to report identified voter fraud.

 

[Gulf of America]

Proof of United States citizenship may be satisfied by any of the following:
A valid Wyoming driver's license or a valid Wyoming ID card, provided that the license or ID card does not contain any indication that you are not a U.S. citizen;
A valid tribal ID card issued by the governing body of the Eastern Shoshone Tribe or the Northern Arapaho Tribe of the Wind River Indian Reservation or any other federally recognized Indian Tribe, provided that it does not contain any indication that you are not a U.S. citizen;
A valid driver's license or ID card issued by any other state consistent with the REAL ID Act, provided that it does not contain any indication that you are not a United States citizen;
A valid United States Passport;
A certificate of U.S. citizenship;
A certificate of naturalization;
A U.S. military draft record or selective service registration acknowledgment card;
A consular report of birth abroad issued by the U.S. Department of State; or
An original or certified copy of a birth certificate in the U.S. bearing an official seal.

Whoops I missed the second part. I concede that one.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Nice deflection. You like your hypothetical but refuse to answer mine?

I didnt ask you a hypothetical. I told you that there is real dead people and their parents would probably serve a life sentence being innocent if it brought them back. Thats called a statement.

 

[BigHornRam]

You still are missing my point.

What im saying is the 10 percent is huge when looking at national elections, regardless of how easy it is to register.

Thats all.

But to your point.

My wife has been registered to vote in Nevada for her entire adult life. And so have I. I've had the same address since 2007. Her since 2013 when we married. Both on our property deed, insurance, bills, all of it.

Now her getting a REAL ID?

Totally different story. That was a months long process.

Born here. Married to me here, and it took forever to get it sorted out.

If your wife has her real ID now, it didn't take forever. Bureaucracy can be slow, I will grant you that.

 

[Handlebar]

Maybe but the intent is crystal clear--to prevent groups that data show generally vote for democrats from voting. You don't have to know exactly who someone voted for to know that targeting native americans, blacks, and people who live in blue districts from voting can have an impact.

They know it....that's what motivates them.

The fear is crystal clear; someone is scared they are going to lose a bunch of illegal voters who vote democrat.
Per CNN poll African Americans support voter ID at 71%.

 

[406dn]

I didnt ask you a hypothetical. I told you that there is real dead people and their parents would probably serve a life sentence being innocent if it brought them back. Thats called a statement.

That's a hypothetical, that can't ever be a reality. Many hypotheticals have some chance of being real.

I guess you could call your statement, nonsensical, since it can never be.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

That's a hypothetical, that can't ever be a reality. Many hypotheticals have some chance of being real.

I guess you could call your statement, nonsensical, since it can never be.

Your right it can never be. Doesn't mean the parents of the dead dont wish it could be.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Opposition to the Real ID was initially a conservative / libertarian led effort as part of a broader opposition to establishing a big government surveillance state with a national ID card. Since then the country has somehow gone from immense opposition to the privacy infringement of the PATRIOT Act to being fully ok with having federal law enforcement scan biometric data and blast it off to tech companies such as Palantir.

When did people become OK with that shite?

 

[Irrelevant]

50% or more don't bother to vote. Most of the 10% are likely in that 50%.

Maybe. But IMO we should be looking for more engagement not less.

 

[406dn]

50% or more don't bother to vote. Most of the 10% are likely in that 50%.

If so, why go through all of the effort?

 

[jimh406]

It is laughable that the next person living at an address, has a clue on how to forge the previous resident's signature.

You are assuming someone is checking. I think that’s a big assumption.

Do you know who got called to question why their signature changes? I don’t. The signature of most people changes.

But also, CC machines ask for a signature and yet, you can just scribble and get by that check. Yet, they still “require” a signature.

 

[jimh406]

The rumors don't hold true in most all states. If you are open to the facts, you might want to read what your own state says.

Not my state, but thanks for playing.

The bigger point is that there is nothing to prevent it from happening if the voting is anonymous.

Fwiw, there is nothing to encourage govt officials to admit they are doing it wrong. But, maybe you trust all govt officials. If so, I guess you trust the ones in DC as well.

 

[BigHornRam]

If so, why go through all of the effort?

What effort does it take to show you are a legal citizen prior to voting?