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[Hilljackoutlaw]

I would tell them to do so. I would tell them to not obstruct any legal actions by law enforcement. I would tell them to record it. I would encourage them to have the company of others as witness if things go south.

I would thank them for doing what they feel is right. A young adult can piss away time and energy in ways that add no value to their life experience. Sticking their neck out for something they believe in will add value to their life experiences, whether I support that belief or not.

The odds of them getting hurt are far less than many of their other daily activities. Go for it.

I think this is great advice. The disconnect i have and this is just my opinion and in no way am I saying ICE is God in this whole thing. I wasnt there for the shooting but I would not be surprised if the agent who shot first is charged and convicted of negligent manslaughter and i wouldnt disagree if all the bodycam footage and other evidence continues to point that way. I just dont believe any of this is natural or organic in anyway what's happening on both sides is exactly what they want to happen. They have said it with their rhetoric over and over again and there is a large portion of the population that takes the bait hook line and sinker and now two people have needlessly been killed. And instead of taking a step back and thinking holy shit these people are out of control and I should separate myself from this nonsense you instead stoke the flames for the people wanting all this to go down for whatever end they desire. People need to stop feeding off the politicians and media teet and look at things from the POV who is benefitting if I join ICE or who is benefitting if I join the "resistance" and get my head caved in by a government issued projectile. Ill tell you its sure not you or the everyday American citizen. Stop being a player in their effed up games.

 

[Bonasababy]

There’s also the fact that many members of this administration supported Kyle Rittenhouse. The hypocrisy is crazy.

I posted in the other thread about a ringleader of the January 6th riot..convicted of assaulting a capitol police officer with a baseball bat and other crimes...

And Trump pardoned him.

He showed up in MPls last week announcing his intent to stir up trouble and he surely did. Big taste if his own medicine, barely escaped.

 

[Bonasababy]

Stop letting the loudest people on both sides of politics drive your emotions, and go back to work. This isn't April of 1775.

No, its 1984.

 

[brocksw]

I think this is great advice. The disconnect i have and this is just my opinion and in no way am I saying ICE is God in this whole thing. I wasnt there for the shooting but I would not be surprised if the agent who shot first is charged and convicted of negligent manslaughter and i wouldnt disagree if all the bodycam footage and other evidence continues to point that way. I just dont believe any of this is natural or organic in anyway what's happening on both sides is exactly what they want to happen. They have said it with their rhetoric over and over again and there is a large portion of the population that takes the bait hook line and sinker and now two people have needlessly been killed. And instead of taking a step back and thinking holy shit these people are out of control and I should separate myself from this nonsense you instead stoke the flames for the people wanting all this to go down for whatever end they desire. People need to stop feeding off the politicians and media teet and look at things from the POV who is benefitting if I join ICE or who is benefitting if I join the "resistance" and get my head caved in by a government issued projectile. Ill tell you its sure not you or the everyday American citizen. Stop being a player in their effed up games.

I agree with some of what you’re saying. Emphasis on some. I think about it like this. If I was tasked with finding and deporting illegal aliens from Minneapolis, though ICE. I would’ve contacted local law enforcement, coordinated planning with them, developed a list of targets and cooperatively conducted sting operations (likely at night) for known and verified targets.

Instead we have guys who were seemingly hired off the street, running around in masks in broad daylight in blue jeans and asics, harassing random people for their papers, chasing people, seizing and detaining people with no warrant, no due process, some of this is being done to off duty police officers.

Which plan would you pick if you wanted civil unrest?

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

No, its 1984.

And we play along like pawns.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I would’ve contacted local law enforcement, coordinated planning with them, developed a list of targets and cooperatively conducted sting operations (likely at night) for known and verified targets.

That would require a departure from "sanctuary city" type policies that prevent the local police/sheriffs from contacting ICE. Hilariously disappointing - but it seems lost on many (here and elsewhere) that this is a major contribution to the entire issue.

You can't cooperate with departments that openly have policies against cooperation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/us/ice-minnesota-inmates.html#:~:text=How%20do%20other%20Minnesota%20county,with%20ICE%20on%20immigration%20enforcement.&text=Under%20those%20partnerships%2C%20jail%20officials,like%20to%20have%20that%20flexibility.%E2%80%9D

"Minnesota’s Democratic attorney general, Keith Ellison, issued an advisory opinion on the issue last February, which found that local officials cannot keep inmates in custody based on a request from ICE if they are otherwise eligible for release."

"The state’s largest jail, in Minneapolis, is run by the Hennepin County sheriff’s office. For many years, officials at the jail worked closely with immigration agents, providing them a small office at the facility and allowing them to interview immigrants in custody.
That partnership ended after Rich Stanek, a former Hennepin County sheriff who ran the jail for 12 years, was voted out of office in 2018. His successor, Dave Hutchinson, gradually ceased sharing information with ICE, meeting a campaign promise he had made.
Mr. Hutchinson contended that close cooperation between local law enforcement and ICE undermined public safety because it made undocumented immigrants reluctant to report crimes. Mr. Stanek maintained that his approach had kept dangerous criminals from being released from custody back onto the streets.
“Our job is to keep communities safe,” Mr. Stanek said. “That was, pure and simple, keeping communities safe.”
The newer policy — to refrain from cooperating with ICE — has continued since the 2022 election of the current sheriff, Dawanna Witt. Sheriff Witt declined a request for an interview."

 

[Gulf of America]

I think this is great advice. The disconnect i have and this is just my opinion and in no way am I saying ICE is God in this whole thing. I wasnt there for the shooting but I would not be surprised if the agent who shot first is charged and convicted of negligent manslaughter and i wouldnt disagree if all the bodycam footage and other evidence continues to point that way. I just dont believe any of this is natural or organic in anyway what's happening on both sides is exactly what they want to happen. They have said it with their rhetoric over and over again and there is a large portion of the population that takes the bait hook line and sinker and now two people have needlessly been killed. And instead of taking a step back and thinking holy shit these people are out of control and I should separate myself from this nonsense you instead stoke the flames for the people wanting all this to go down for whatever end they desire. People need to stop feeding off the politicians and media teet and look at things from the POV who is benefitting if I join ICE or who is benefitting if I join the "resistance" and get my head caved in by a government issued projectile. Ill tell you its sure not you or the everyday American citizen. Stop being a player in their effed up games.

They don’t wear body cams! The only reason we have video of the Renee a good shooting is because the jackass was videoing with his phone in one hand while he shot her with the other. But that must just be ICE protocol, since these CBP guys at least weren’t all videoing with phones.

Stop acting like this is anything like any other police shooting in our country. Actual cops aren’t being allowed to collect evidence. Bovino stated all the officers involved in Pretti’s shooting are already back on duty, just not in Minneapolis. In any other police-involved shooting, officers are on paid administrative leave during the review to ensure they acted appropriately and aren’t going to go shoot someone else. Properly trained cops deal with armed suspects with actual ill intent every day with a thousand times the professionalism of these jokers. NONE OF THIS IS NORMAL.

 

[Gulf of America]

That would require a departure from "sanctuary city" type policies that prevent the local police/sheriffs from contacting ICE. Hilariously disappointing - but it seems lost on many (here and elsewhere) that this is a major contribution to the entire issue.

You can't cooperate with departments that openly have policies against cooperation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/us/ice-minnesota-inmates.html#:~:text=How%20do%20other%20Minnesota%20county,with%20ICE%20on%20immigration%20enforcement.&text=Under%20those%20partnerships%2C%20jail%20officials,like%20to%20have%20that%20flexibility.%E2%80%9D

"Minnesota’s Democratic attorney general, Keith Ellison, issued an advisory opinion on the issue last February, which found that local officials cannot keep inmates in custody based on a request from ICE if they are otherwise eligible for release."

"The state’s largest jail, in Minneapolis, is run by the Hennepin County sheriff’s office. For many years, officials at the jail worked closely with immigration agents, providing them a small office at the facility and allowing them to interview immigrants in custody.
That partnership ended after Rich Stanek, a former Hennepin County sheriff who ran the jail for 12 years, was voted out of office in 2018. His successor, Dave Hutchinson, gradually ceased sharing information with ICE, meeting a campaign promise he had made.
Mr. Hutchinson contended that close cooperation between local law enforcement and ICE undermined public safety because it made undocumented immigrants reluctant to report crimes. Mr. Stanek maintained that his approach had kept dangerous criminals from being released from custody back onto the streets.
“Our job is to keep communities safe,” Mr. Stanek said. “That was, pure and simple, keeping communities safe.”
The newer policy — to refrain from cooperating with ICE — has continued since the 2022 election of the current sheriff, Dawanna Witt. Sheriff Witt declined a request for an interview."

You make it sound like sanctuaries citiies just let illegals go free if they commit any crime. Thats not what’s happening, they’re just treated like any other criminal. So illegal immigrants convicted of violent or sexual crimes have to register just like legal citizens convicted of those crimes and their booking information is submitted to federal databases. Most of the really bad guys they’re posting about on SM, they’re getting from Minnesota prisons, not the streets.

 

[Forkyfinder]

You make it sound like sanctuaries citiies just let illegals go free if they commit any crime. Thats not what’s happening, they’re just treated like any other criminal.

So I'm understanding clearly - you want the United States to not deport them after they are convicted of a crime?

Why not deport them?

They aren't "just another criminal" by the way either. If one of these unvetted people from a terrible place commits a serious terrorist attack - will you change your mind?

I'm not "making it sound like" anything - when people can't acknowledge this is the largest contribution to ICEs presence there, it's a bit baffling to me.

 

[Gulf of America]

So I'm understanding clearly - you want the United States to not deport that them after they are convicted of a crime?

Why not deport them?

They aren't "just another criminal" by the way either. If one of these unvetted people from a terrible place commits a serious terrorist attack - will you change your mind?

I'm not "making it sound like" anything - when people can't acknowledge this is the largest contribution to ICEs presence there, it's a bit baffling to me.

I didn’t say that. And that’s not what’s happening - Feds have access to that information and can deport them whenever they want. I’m also not saying I support sanctuary cities, I’m just clearing up what it actually means - that the city isn’t turning over every undocumented immigrant pulled over for a traffic stop to be deported. But this is all a distraction. The Minneapolis crackdown isn’t about immigration, or there would be similar crackdowns in Texas and Florida where there are way higher populations of illegal immigrants - it’s about terrorizing a city that represents liberal opposition to Trump’s agenda.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I didn’t say that. And that’s not what’s happening - Feds have access to that information and can deport them whenever they want. I’m also not saying I support sanctuary cities, I’m just clearing up what it actually means - that the city isn’t turning over every undocumented immigrant pulled over for a traffic stop to be deported. But this is all a distraction. The Minneapolis crackdown isn’t about immigration, or there would be similar crackdowns in Texas and Florida where there are way higher populations of illegal immigrants - it’s about terrorizing a city that represents liberal opposition to Trump’s agenda.

You know what there aren't any of, in Florida and texas right?

Yeah - they aren't reporting them for traffic violations. They're also not reporting them to ICE for serious crimes. It's explicitly in there. You can ignore it - but I'm shocked you can't understand.

Should I break the statement down below? I've got no idea how to make my point any clearer.

"His successor, Dave Hutchinson, gradually ceased sharing information with ICE, meeting a campaign promise he had made."

You can try and wash the term "sanctuary city" an redefine it to your hearts content/desire - but what you are saying is objectively false.

 

[TX Trophy Hunter]

I’ve softened my views on illegal immigration over the years. It first came on my radar in 2005 when some bear hunters were shot at by pot farmers in the mountains by my hometown. Naturally I became completely driven by fear in my views. Over the years however I have come to accept that there is a lot of nuance and feel that a vast majority of them come with generally good intentions. I recognize that they break the law and bipass the system, but I have also noticed that the most successful people in this country take what they want with little regard for legality or morality. A lot of these immigrants are in desperate situations and don’t have time to wade through the process. Others a part way through the process and are getting kicked out anyway.

 

[Gulf of America]

You know what there aren't any of, in Florida and texas right?

And yet somehow, despite sanctuary cities, Minnesota is #23 on the list of most illegal immigrants. I feel like you're a rational person but you're digging in on the team sport here. I don't support sanctuary cities. Full stop. OK? I also think that illegal immigrants are still humans and just because they came from a horrible place (in many cases, horrible because the good ol USA overthrew a popularly elected socialist and installed a capitalist dictator) doesn't mean they're all horrible people. I want the bad ones out, but I see very little utility in heavily armed forces patrolling and ripping every person with brown skin out of their car until they can show their papers. As much as I don't like Homan's dehumanizing view on immigrants, at least he actually wants to focus on immigration; Noem and Bovino just want to make a spectacle.

 

[Bonasababy]

That would require a departure from "sanctuary city" type policies that prevent the local police/sheriffs from contacting ICE. Hilariously disappointing - but it seems lost on many (here and elsewhere) that this is a major contribution to the entire issue.

You can't cooperate with departments that openly have policies against cooperation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/us/ice-minnesota-inmates.html#:~:text=How%20do%20other%20Minnesota%20county,with%20ICE%20on%20immigration%20enforcement.&text=Under%20those%20partnerships%2C%20jail%20officials,like%20to%20have%20that%20flexibility.%E2%80%9D

"Minnesota’s Democratic attorney general, Keith Ellison, issued an advisory opinion on the issue last February, which found that local officials cannot keep inmates in custody based on a request from ICE if they are otherwise eligible for release."

"The state’s largest jail, in Minneapolis, is run by the Hennepin County sheriff’s office. For many years, officials at the jail worked closely with immigration agents, providing them a small office at the facility and allowing them to interview immigrants in custody.
That partnership ended after Rich Stanek, a former Hennepin County sheriff who ran the jail for 12 years, was voted out of office in 2018. His successor, Dave Hutchinson, gradually ceased sharing information with ICE, meeting a campaign promise he had made.
Mr. Hutchinson contended that close cooperation between local law enforcement and ICE undermined public safety because it made undocumented immigrants reluctant to report crimes. Mr. Stanek maintained that his approach had kept dangerous criminals from being released from custody back onto the streets.
“Our job is to keep communities safe,” Mr. Stanek said. “That was, pure and simple, keeping communities safe.”
The newer policy — to refrain from cooperating with ICE — has continued since the 2022 election of the current sheriff, Dawanna Witt. Sheriff Witt declined a request for an interview."

So you arent cooperating if you refuse to go along with ICE wanting to use your facility to house people with no legal reason to be held? Explains your real motivation.

In the news this morning...

Chief federal judge orders ICE head to appear in Minnesota court, cites failure to comply with 'dozens of court orders'

The head of ICE has been ordered to appear in person before Minnesota's chief federal judge over his agency's failure to comply with judicial orders.

kstp.com

 

[Forkyfinder]

And yet somehow, despite sanctuary cities, Minnesota is #23 on the list of most illegal immigrants. I feel like you're a rational person but you're digging in on the team sport here. I don't support sanctuary cities. Full stop. OK? I also think that illegal immigrants are still humans and just because they came from a horrible place (in many cases, horrible because the good ol USA overthrew a popularly elected socialist and installed a capitalist dictator) doesn't mean they're all horrible people. I want the bad ones out, but I see very little utility in heavily armed forces patrolling and ripping every person with brown skin out of their car until they can show their papers. As much as I don't like Homan's djehumanizing view on immigrants, at least he actually wants to focus on immigration; Noem and Bovino just want to make a spectacle.

I also think immigrants are humans. It makes me sick that congress would not work on a solution of some kind. I also have no desire to have any armed federal police force dressed up like those guys are anywhere near my community.

Yes. Noem and Bovino gave ridiculous tone deaf comments.

A reality that needs to be acknowledged is that without local cooperation - ICE can't effectively deport the bad guys with a low resource operation. Cities and states should work with the federal government.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

They don’t wear body cams! The only reason we have video of the Renee a good shooting is because the jackass was videoing with his phone in one hand while he shot her with the other. But that must just be ICE protocol, since these CBP guys at least weren’t all videoing with phones.

Stop acting like this is anything like any other police shooting in our country. Actual cops aren’t being allowed to collect evidence. Bovino stated all the officers involved in Pretti’s shooting are already back on duty, just not in Minneapolis. In any other police-involved shooting, officers are on paid administrative leave during the review to ensure they acted appropriately and aren’t going to go shoot someone else. Properly trained cops deal with armed suspects with actual ill intent every day with a thousand times the professionalism of these jokers. NONE OF THIS IS NORMAL.

Idk what any of that has to do with anything I said. Outside of your body cam comment which NBC disagrees with you on.

 

[TOGIE]

whataboutism is back baby!

didn't take long.

countdown to lock.

 

[brockel]

Ahh yes the offseason

 

[406dn]

. Cities and states should work with the federal government.

It is very common for cities and states to resist what the federal government is trying to do.

Wolves

Grizzly bears

Public land sales

Voter registration

Energy Policy

Covid Policy

And on and on

It is a given that various states will have different views on what federal policy should be.

 

[NDGuy]

A reality that needs to be acknowledged is that without local cooperation - ICE can't effectively deport the bad guys with a low resource operation. Cities and states should work with the federal government.

Hopefully when the dust settles this will be happening more