Southern Pines Plantation is more real estate, less timber manufacturing.
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All the more reason perpetual conservation easements are vital.
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Southern Pines Plantation is more real estate, less timber manufacturing.
All the more reason perpetual conservation easements are vital.
cgasner1
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I’ve said it before but show me who to vote for that is 100% only about the wildlife. Until we can get it separated so that it’s not treated as a commodity and actually treated like a resource the elections won’t matter in this aspect
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It was sold to Southern Pines the prior year from Weyerhaeuser Timber.Southern Pines Plantation is more real estate, less timber manufacturing.
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All the more reason perpetual conservation easements are vital.
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Good point.
We should ask those questions in primaries, and participate in local party events. Maybe they'll run me out - but i'd generally speaking like to vote for R and not get garbagio like this.
Edit - also want to point out that no one will be 100% about wildlife in the way i want. Look how much we all disagree here... wildlifes pretty nuanced in a lot of ways.
The threads about public land, and my garbage comment is more about that than wildife. Theres plenty of disagreement on public land policy/practice and best management too. But this is an attempt to sell it off - or at best selfishly enrich the state of Montana at the detriment to every other citizen.
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Yeah and plum cr to Weyerhaeuser to southern Pines to green diamond to private individuals, including the Joneses. Just saying SPP sold to the joneses.
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I was making abroad stroke with that since for most of us the wildlife and landscape go hand in hand
Nameless Range
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I saw Elon Musk share a video on his social media yesterday of Milton Friedman saying the government should sell all of its lands - should only own the land on which govt buildings reside. I saw a prominent individual at a Montana think tank - who has found a fair bit of success getting bills passed in the legislature - also share it.
Transfer is a poisoned well of an idea. Not only for the very real logistical, legal, or philosophical reasons, but because a powerful subset of its proponents are leveraging folks who would be reduced to suckers staring at No Trespassing signs were it to come to pass. A lot of people - most who don't hunt, fish, or trap - really actually do think public lands simply should not exist.
Transfer is a poisoned well of an idea. Not only for the very real logistical, legal, or philosophical reasons, but because a powerful subset of its proponents are leveraging folks who would be reduced to suckers staring at No Trespassing signs were it to come to pass. A lot of people - most who don't hunt, fish, or trap - really actually do think public lands simply should not exist.
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A good assessment of the evolving dynamics on this issue. I wish it was different.
The current political tone in our country makes it even harder. Marcus and I are in the midst of our five-part series. The messages I've been getting are more rooted in partisan loyalty and "what about-ism" than at any time we've posted content on this issue. We are at a time when we feel that a vote for a person is some sort of allegiance in perpetuity and getting folks to voice objections to someone they voted for is very difficult.
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This is a good article with lots of back story.
In the Flathead Valley, Wealthy Private Landowners Leave Former Timberland Unlocked to the Public - Flathead Beacon
On a soggy Saturday afternoon in late November, Stan Ottosen, head of security for Flathead Ridge Ranch, piloted his pickup truck over Browns Meadow Pass, contouring gingerly along the two-lane ribbon of rutted road. He drove slowly to avoid the kettles and potholes, which an early-season slurry...
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"To manage its timberland, Flathead Ridge Ranch hired Caleb Deitz, a local forester who’s spent the past decade working to improve the health of public and private forests in northwest Montana. His goal at Flathead Ridge Ranch isn’t to harvest a certain volume of sawlogs, but rather to promote “a more mature, more natural mix of forest age classes,” which in turn supports more diverse wildlife habitat.
“Between the work the security team is doing, and what we’re accomplishing through sustainable forestry, it seems like we have been getting more support from the public,” he said. “We’ve certainly seen an improvement in the hunting ethics on display since making these investments.”"
Nameless Range
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I appreciate your videos. I know in the past you have spoken to how they don't generate near the interest and views as dead bull elk - which I also like - but they are important. Might be more important than any of the others if the right person sees em, and it may happen long after you or I are gone.
This is a good article with lots of back story.
In the Flathead Valley, Wealthy Private Landowners Leave Former Timberland Unlocked to the Public - Flathead Beacon
On a soggy Saturday afternoon in late November, Stan Ottosen, head of security for Flathead Ridge Ranch, piloted his pickup truck over Browns Meadow Pass, contouring gingerly along the two-lane ribbon of rutted road. He drove slowly to avoid the kettles and potholes, which an early-season slurry...flatheadbeacon.com
"To manage its timberland, Flathead Ridge Ranch hired Caleb Deitz, a local forester who’s spent the past decade working to improve the health of public and private forests in northwest Montana. His goal at Flathead Ridge Ranch isn’t to harvest a certain volume of sawlogs, but rather to promote “a more mature, more natural mix of forest age classes,” which in turn supports more diverse wildlife habitat.
“Between the work the security team is doing, and what we’re accomplishing through sustainable forestry, it seems like we have been getting more support from the public,” he said. “We’ve certainly seen an improvement in the hunting ethics on display since making these investments.”"
They’re still allowing quite a bit of access. When news of that sale broke, a lot of hunters were freaked out. I don’t hunt that area, but know people who do and have for generations. It could have been a disaster.
Caleb is a solid dude and a good forester. I worked with him at my past job.
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In the last few election cycles I have chosen not to vote for anyone in favor of transfer or disposal of public land. I have let those candidates know that. They all won landslide victories. I do not understand how people can give them a free pass on this terrible idea.
I figure there are plenty of people voting on all the other issues out there. I'll support public land and conservation first. Yes, it's that important to me.
I figure there are plenty of people voting on all the other issues out there. I'll support public land and conservation first. Yes, it's that important to me.
44hunter45
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Seems like his funding isn't too dark.
BigHornRam
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I spent 8 years on a Forest Legacy Program conservation easement review committee, and most of the proposals came out of that corner of the state. Lot of acres of private timber company holdings, were put under easement with perpetual public access. Good program.
Rogerdoger
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All be dang, I know Caleb, he is a good guy.
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SAJ-99
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1. Milton never saw a camera he didn't like.
2. The visible/invisible argument can also be made on inflation and jobs during Covid. I'm sure he would have hated the printing of money to support the economy (he wasn't much for changing or adapting his views on the matter), but often wonder how he would square that with the unemployment that would have resulted. Creative destruction is great when you are only living in a world of economic models.
3. I'm not sure Elon gives a shit about macro economics.
It’s strange that whataboutism has become the go-to deflection strategy and acceptance mechanism for full-grown adults. I was taught around kindergarten that it’s a poor way to try and weasel out of culpability for something bad I’d done.
It’s beyond crummy to see so many of our elected politicians have so much blind faith to the party they belong to instead of the actual people they are elected to represent
The last time I emailed one of my local reps about PLT the very, very delayed response was essentially that I was wrong and stupid and she would vote the way her party bosses told her to
44hunter45
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You should try her on anadromous fish and dam breaching. All the talking points conveniently provided by her lobbyists.
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