Ideas for inclusive conservation podcasts - Pattie Gonia

[Ben Lamb]

Cam Hanes is on it


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#1, good for Cam.

#2, who wears falls colors during winter? Sad.

 

[NR_Hunter]

I think of some of ya'll just closed your eyes and imagined you looked different than you do for even just 5 seconds you might could be able to take a thread like this a little more seriously.

 

[Carnage2011]

I think of some of ya'll just closed your eyes and imagined you looked different than you do for even just 5 seconds you might could be able to take a thread like this a little more seriously.

The difference for me is that Mr. Gonia closed his eyes and decided to dress like a woman. I closed my eyes and decided that would be a poor decision. I'm personally not a fan of providing him with a platform to draw attention to something I consider a mental illness. I'm not saying that people who are Lesbian or Gay have a mental illness. I believe some of them are born that way. I am saying that Trans people and drag queen's have a mental illness, if you can't look down and identify what you are, you are lost. I don't really care if they "feel like a woman/man." That may offend people on here, but the reality is he chose to draw attention to himself. If that's your choice then it's hard for me to feel the need to give him a voice.

 

[Ben Lamb]

The difference for me is that Mr. Gonia closed his eyes and decided to dress like a woman. I closed my eyes and decided that would be a poor decision. I'm personally not a fan of providing him with a platform to draw attention to something I consider a mental illness. I'm not saying that people who are Lesbian or Gay have a mental illness. I believe some of them are born that way. I am saying that Trans people and drag queen's have a mental illness, if you can't look down and identify what you are, you are lost. I don't really care if they "feel like a woman/man." That may offend people on here, but the reality is he chose to draw attention to himself. If that's your choice then it's hard for me to feel the need to give him a voice.

Throughout history, the acceptance of queer lifestyles was not only de riguer, it was a major part of many cultures. It's really around the Puritans when shame was associated with this stuff. Even then, men played women's roles in theaters from England to Japan, with both countries lionizing performers much like we do with singers & actors today. Drag is theater, it's entertainment. It's performance more than sexual identity. It's fun and it's garish and it's most definitely adults only (IMO) but it's an artform as old as any performing arts. To say it's a mental issue would lead me to believe that you've never been front and center when Rhonda Santis puts her big white boots up and sings "these boots were made for walking."

 

[Carnage2011]

Throughout history, the acceptance of queer lifestyles was not only de riguer, it was a major part of many cultures. It's really around the Puritans when shame was associated with this stuff. Even then, men played women's roles in theaters from England to Japan, with both countries lionizing performers much like we do with singers & actors today. Drag is theater, it's entertainment. It's performance more than sexual identity. It's fun and it's garish and it's most definitely adults only (IMO) but it's an artform as old as any performing arts. To say it's a mental issue would lead me to believe that you've never been front and center when Rhonda Santis puts her big white boots up and sings "these boots were made for walking."

Great. Let's keep it right there...in the theater. Last week when I was buying some bolts at Fastenal, there was a guy dressed as a woman. Nothing about that is fun or garish. He's either confused, mentally ill, or wants attention.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Great. Let's keep it right there...in the theater. Last week when I was buying some bolts at Fastenal, there was a guy dressed as a woman. Nothing about that is fun or garish. He's either confused, mentally ill, or wants attention.

You're just mad you were checking him out before he turned around.

 

[NR_Hunter]

The difference for me is that Mr. Gonia closed his eyes and decided to dress like a woman. I closed my eyes and decided that would be a poor decision. I'm personally not a fan of providing him with a platform to draw attention to something I consider a mental illness. I'm not saying that people who are Lesbian or Gay have a mental illness. I believe some of them are born that way. I am saying that Trans people and drag queen's have a mental illness, if you can't look down and identify what you are, you are lost. I don't really care if they "feel like a woman/man." That may offend people on here, but the reality is he chose to draw attention to himself. If that's your choice then it's hard for me to feel the need to give him a voice.

Look, I’m not tryna have a back and fourth on this but I’m just gonna say even if you think it’s all a mental illness, I don’t think having a mental illness shouldn’t lessen anyone’s standing as a human being.