How about an Eastern US hunting issue?

seeth07

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So something has been eating at me and I haven't entirely decided if I want to say or do anything. Looking for any opinions from any of you east coast folks that have dealt with this before.

My wife and I own and sort of lease thru a reduced tillable rent on ours to have a total of about 200 acres to hunt behind our house. About 150 of it is tillable across 4 separate fields so it isn't like a big woods but all pieces between fields and a large 30ish acre piece in the middle of quality habitat. It's really a great setup with fantastic bedding.

For a couple years, we have not entirely by choice but due to full freezers of elk and moose haven't needed to kill any deer at all. We've been just holding out for the largest bucks and it just hasn't connected for one reason or another.

Deer in general do not travel much west or east do to vast open fields but they certainly travel north and south.

To our north, the few neighbors there are great and shoot what I would consider an appropriate deer/acre ratio - bucks and does.

To our south, there are mainly three neighbors, one that owns a large 450 acres of mostly marsh, another that owns 800 acres of ag fields and marsh/woods and one that owns a 20 acres woods directly south of us.

The two with 450 and 800 acres are old school mindset and only shoot bucks. They shoot their fair amount and generally take some quality bucks.

Here is where my issue comes in. The 20 acre neighbor historically has claimed there are no deer. Part of this is because its a pretty open woods and part of it is the deer just typically stay in the marsh east of it. They normally get 2 to 5 deer a year and its never been an issue. This year we had a great population of deer including 6 quality bucks (130 to 160 range or so). It was the most fun bow hunting we have ever had and no excuse why there aren't 3 of them dead but both my wife and I suck (we missed).

The neighbor with 20 acres harvested so far 23 deer with only 5 being bucks and only 1 being one of the 6.

My feelings are that this neighbor is being disrespectful to us neighbors by being so greedy and completely wiping out this nice herd.

Am I crazy? I get its their land and they can do what they want.

So things I could do are they have an easement thru my property with some specific language that would hurt their current use. I don't want to go there as I would be a complete dick in doing so and end up no better than what they are doing.

I'd like to just talk to them about it but I'm confident I'm going to get the finger basically and them saying too bad.

There are some major trails that go into the woods and I could block those up and it would be pretty effective to skirt the deer around their woods as well...again a dick move I know
 
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Any way you can high fence the border with your neighbor to prevent the deer from using the corridor?

Not sure how the layout exactly of everything is, but if you cut off that route, and its on your property, might save a few if the deer and funnel them out and away.

23 deer seems crazy on such a small parcel.

Edit, Just saw you sort of suggested that, not sure if that was and edit to the original post.
 
Are there that many does? Maybe he is actually helping, doesn’t QDMA advocate a 1:1 buck doe ratio?
This is the first year we have felt the ratio was improving and like to think its because we have been sanctuary to many of those bucks. It's not 1:1 but it was under 2:1
 
“The neighbor with 20 acres harvested so far 23 deer “

How many deer a year can they legally kill?
 
Self restraint is a thing.

Animals being held in Trust for the State is another.

Private Property adds a different level of conflict.

Humans are consumer's. Over at MM there are people actively advocating breaking game rules, simple as they may be. I've no answer for you my guy.

It will only change once the masses decide so.
 
“The neighbor with 20 acres harvested so far 23 deer “

How many deer a year can they legally kill?
Well per person is 2 bucks and its unlimited does.

The property is not hunted by the father much but mostly his 3 sons ages 14 to 22. Two of them had their GF's in there this year during gun deer. 13 deer were shot opening weekend by the two boys and their girlfriends
 
I should also point out something that was really bugging me about this.

The deer from Saturday remained in the truck on Sunday (it was very cold so meat was for sure good) and Sunday afternoon they all spent about an hour doing photos with their pickup totally piled high with deer
 
Are they eating them?
I would guess so. I don't have any reason to feel they are wasting them but they likely are giving deer away to family/friends. The donation centers around here get very few typically as most people don't just shoot deer to shoot them but they do shoot deer to give them a neighbor or the sort
 
23 deer in 1 season? Even if you like to donate meat that is crazy...they are going to wipe out the herd in like 2 years if they keep at it. They must shoot at everything they see...
 
They are likely just doing what almost every dipshit qdma guy has parroted for years. “Shoot more does! Shoot every doe you see!”

Have you tried talking to them at all?

Also, take a step back and look at this from a 20,000 foot view because offering to pay $300,000 just to solve an issue of someone killing too many deer is a borderline mental disorder…..

My suggestion is to do what we did on our lease in Illinois that had bad slob redneck neighbors. Just don’t pay attention to any of it and control what you can control on your land. If the deer keep getting the living shit shot out of them on their land, maybe they won’t go over there anymore.

And if there is in fact a way to end their access through your land, do it and cut ties with them completely.
 
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Are they baiting the deer to draw them into that apparently marginal habitat 20 acres ? Is that legal there ?
 
In my opinion, changing the trails is not a dick move.
If they shoot everything in sight with no regards to well, anyone or anything, then on your land you have a right (I would almost say duty) to control what you can.
The easement could get pretty bad going that route, but you don’t have to discuss anything in regards to changing the landscape of YOUR property, and you should not feel guilty if you do.
They clearly are not giving you any consideration with their actions.
 

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