Carrying on Campus??

[Ben Lamb]

Ben,

Have you read the law?
http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2014/S1254.pdf

http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statssummaries/snapshot.aspx

Yes. It takes the authority away from the Regents and local school administrators who have a better concept of how things like this should be handled on campus and makes it another hyperbolic second amendment argument regardless of how the 2nd is interpreted by the Supreme Court.

It's top-down gov't. I say let the schools decide for themselves if they feel their students can handle it.

I appreciate the increased fines & punishment for acting poorly with a gun, but in the instance of schools, I still question the sanity in handing 21 year old kids who routinely engage in poor decisions another opportunity to hurt people.

As for the Alcohol related deaths, there has been a huge push to try and eliminate binge drinking. But, by using the logic that if 1800 and some odd dead kids from alcohol poisoning is occurring, what's a few more who get shot by a drunk guy, we should then push to legalize nonconsentual sex, since it happens anyway.

 

[cowboy]

As for the Alcohol related deaths, there has been a huge push to try and eliminate binge drinking. But, by using the logic that if 1800 and some odd dead kids from alcohol poisoning is occurring, what's a few more who get shot by a drunk guy, we should then push to legalize nonconsentual sex, since it happens anyway.

This discussion may surpass the lowering of legal hunting age - I need some popcorn. We need spring and some green grass to get here.

 

[justdada]

I appreciate the increased fines & punishment for acting poorly with a gun, but in the instance of schools, I still question the sanity in handing 21 year old kids who routinely engage in poor decisions another opportunity to hurt people.

As for the Alcohol related deaths, there has been a huge push to try and eliminate binge drinking. But, by using the logic that if 1800 and some odd dead kids from alcohol poisoning is occurring, what's a few more who get shot by a drunk guy, we should then push to legalize nonconsentual sex, since it happens anyway.

fines? too late at that point, right? if your children weren't taught better then to lock up the iron before tipping one back, then you are right, they have no business owning a weapon.
your sarcastic comparison to murder is a stretch but to legalized rape seems out of character and seriously sad.

 

[WV Hunter]

Just ban alcohol period That will cure the drunken concealed carry college student fiasco we face everyday

80,000 alcohol related deaths per year in the US. 8,000 deaths per year from ALL firearms in the US (murder, suicide, accidents, justified)

 

[Nemont]

Yes. It takes the authority away from the Regents and local school administrators who have a better concept of how things like this should be handled on campus and makes it another hyperbolic second amendment argument regardless of how the 2nd is interpreted by the Supreme Court.

It's top-down gov't. I say let the schools decide for themselves if they feel their students can handle it.

I appreciate the increased fines & punishment for acting poorly with a gun, but in the instance of schools, I still question the sanity in handing 21 year old kids who routinely engage in poor decisions another opportunity to hurt people.

As for the Alcohol related deaths, there has been a huge push to try and eliminate binge drinking. But, by using the logic that if 1800 and some odd dead kids from alcohol poisoning is occurring, what's a few more who get shot by a drunk guy, we should then push to legalize nonconsentual sex, since it happens anyway.

I never said any of that, I said if you base where to send a kid to college on whether there is or is not the ability to carry, then you are not very good at thinking clearly about risk. Life is a risk and nobody is risk free. This law does almost zero to increase or reduce any risk, that isn't emotion it is math, well actually statistics, but you know.

Now is it good policy, I don't know, perhaps my first choice would to be give it a trial period or empower the University to study it or something half way but I would not for second decide where to encourage my child to attend based on this law.

Although as father and Bobcat alum, I have kids at both Bozeman and Missoula so they go where ever they want anyway.

Risk is what I was getting at, not the one off chance that somebody on some campus somewhere may end getting tragically killed by a gun, They could also get killed by a gun going to a movie theater.

Nemont

 

[6speed]

Yes. It takes the authority away from the Regents and local school administrators who have a better concept of how things like this should be handled on campus and makes it another hyperbolic second amendment argument regardless of how the 2nd is interpreted by the Supreme Court.

It's top-down gov't. I say let the schools decide for themselves if they feel their students can handle it.

I appreciate the increased fines & punishment for acting poorly with a gun, but in the instance of schools, I still question the sanity in handing 21 year old kids who routinely engage in poor decisions another opportunity to hurt people.

As for the Alcohol related deaths, there has been a huge push to try and eliminate binge drinking. But, by using the logic that if 1800 and some odd dead kids from alcohol poisoning is occurring, what's a few more who get shot by a drunk guy, we should then push to legalize nonconsentual sex, since it happens anyway.

There are some huge gaps in that logic. I suppose all the students that obeyed the law about guns on campus will now break the law prohibiting the possession while under the influence?

 

[RobG]

I don't know Ben... I don't like drunks with guns, but in this town there are far more drunks off campus than on.

Interestingly enough, bear spray is illegal on MSU's campus. I wonder what the hikers who live in the dorms do.

 

[Nameless Range]

If guns are banned on campuses, so what? We will have an observational study. If guns are allowed on campuses, so what? We will again have an opportunity to engage in a limited observational study.It's strange how obsessively knee-jerk people are when ever gun policies are discussed, regardless of their position. Robert Birnbaum had a pretty good article a while back in The Magazine of Higher Learning.

"The reality is that America's colleges and universities are unusually safe places. The chance of being a homicide victim on campus in 2010 was about one in 875,000, approximately the same chance that the average US citizen faces of being struck by lightning.

This suggests that the guns-on-campus debate is about a manufactured rather than a real crisis. Both the MoreGuns and the BanGuns arguments appear to be ideological solutions in search of a problem."

My prediction regarding the results of these potential observational studies, if the sample sizes were ever large enough to draw conclusions from, would be that the number of individuals negatively effected by allowing guns on campus would be larger than the amount of individuals benefitting from allowing guns on campus. Because, as the quote above points out, college campuses are pretty vanilla places that don't really need guns introduced to them. Either way as has been pointed out in previous posts, there are bigger fish to fry.

 

[cowboy]

What is the current law in Idaho on concealed carry in bars, banks and government operated facilities etc? I tried looking it up on the net but drew a blank.

 

[smarandr]

http://www.idaho.gov/laws_rules/firearm.html

 

[smarandr]

This suggests that the guns-on-campus debate is about a manufactured rather than a real crisis. Both the MoreGuns and the BanGuns arguments appear to be ideological solutions in search of a problem."[/I]

This is pure poetry.