That hasn’t been my experience at all with the 117s. I’ve killed deer, hogs, and antelope with them. The majority has been bang flops. I’ve only had one deer I can remember that didn’t drop in sight. Big bodied buck I shot on a hard quartering angle chasing a doe down the edge of a bean field. I hit him last rib and he made it across a big ditch and piled up about 50 feet on the other side. One of the few times I didn’t get an exit.