6.5 CM as a hunting cartridge... why?

[Sheltowee]

I wonder if there was such a thing as computers and internet available to people back 1925-26, would this same argument be taking place after the release of the then brand new .270 Winchester? Or the same question applied to 1955-56 when the .308 was released. As someone pointed out, the 6.5 Creedmore has been around for 18+ years already. No I don't own one, don't plan on owning one either, what I have already is already more than sufficient for my needs.

Go back in time far enough and I’m sure you’d see redcoats griping about this newfangled flintlock Brown Bess and how it would never beat a good, sharp pike.

 

[kodiakisland]

Because it already existed. So I'm wondering why the market, especially the hunting market, has supported a clone so much more than it did the .260 (or 7mm-08). I've never seen shelves full of boxes of .260, and yet here is the 6.5 CM, barely its equal, that we now see everywhere.

Timing is everything. I suppose the new crop of shooters with disposable income and no desire to reload have a lot to do with the current factory options. I shoot weekly and have not seen a store shelf of ammo in many, many years so have no idea what factory options there are. Don't real shooters load their own?

Anyway, who cares? The CM case size is perfect for most whitetail hunting under 300 yards. It is basically the 250 improved case and has identical volume, necked up or down, which has been around killing stuff for over a 100 years.

You could say I was late to the 7-08 as I didn't get my first one until 1984. I've killed many deer, mnt goats, bear, etc. with the eight 7-08s I've owned over the years. I still like shooting and hunting with the 250 based cartridges, especially for whitetail. Dead is dead and enough is enough. I can pull out the big stuff when I need to, but realize for the most part bullet placement is everything and the amount of powder you burn is just for dick measurements.

 

[Point Creep]

Birdwatcher needs a new .277 fury in his lineup

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Timing is everything. I suppose the new crop of shooters with disposable income and no desire to reload have a lot to do with the current factory options. I shoot weekly and have not seen a store shelf of ammo in many, many years so have no idea what factory options there are. Don't real shooters load their own?

Anyway, who cares? The CM case size is perfect for most whitetail hunting under 300 yards. It is basically the 250 improved case and has identical volume, necked up or down, which has been around killing stuff for over a 100 years.

You could say I was late to the 7-08 as I didn't get my first one until 1984. I've killed many deer, mnt goats, bear, etc. with the eight 7-08s I've owned over the years. I still like shooting and hunting with the 250 based cartridges, especially for whitetail. Dead is dead and enough is enough. I can pull out the big stuff when I need to, but realize for the most part bullet placement is everything and the amount of powder you burn is just for dick measurements.

I think some folks confuse curiosity with caring. Not the case here. I couldn't care less if someone chooses the 6.5 but I am curious why. Lots of good answers to that question here on this thread, in amongst the unfortunate snark.

I agree, that case size, and the .308-based cases, are nearly perfect for the majority of deer hunting.

 

[kodiakisland]

I think some folks confuse curiosity with caring. Not the case here. I couldn't care less if someone chooses the 6.5 but I am curious why. Lots of good answers to that question here on this thread, in amongst the unfortunate snark.

I agree, that case size, and the .308-based cases, are nearly perfect for the majority of deer hunting.

As I mentioned before, my daughter has one in a WBY Mark V Camilla. She ususally hunts with a custom 257 Roberts but wanted the Camilla rifle. Of the limited cartridges it was offered in, the 6.5CM got the nod. If the 7-08 had been an option, that most likely would have been chosen. So for her it was the choice of rifle, not the choice of cartridge. She uses it on everything up to elk, but had also used the Roberts for the same thing as well.

Of course I reload for her as she has no desire or time to.

 

[Point Creep]

Birdfeed https://ammo.com/comparison/277-fur...y has a,difference when shooting these rifles.

 

[cgasner1]

https://www.reddit.com/r/perfectlycutscreams/s/UwJtduVzEV Still need to but your mark or it doesn’t matter

 

[Nick87]

two 22 creedmoors,

Did a little more digging on this one. I'm Gonna need one of these.

 

[kodiakisland]

Did a little more digging on this one. I'm Gonna need one of these.

It's a fast twist 22-250 improved, which is not a bad thing.

 

[mtmuley]

The bullet doesn’t know what cartridge it came from.

Probably the best point made in this whole thread. mtmuley

 

[Forkyfinder]

It's a fast twist 22-250 improved, which is not a bad thing.

You can make brass that way - but its a necked down 30 T/C...

 

[Redmt]

The 6.5 Crudmore is junk. Please PM me for payment on all your copper .264/6.5 bullets that are now worthless and you want to sell.

 

[huntnfisher]

I have a 6.5 CM in a Browning X Bolt Maple Medallion that I put a Mcarbo trigger spring in. It's a pretty little rifle that that shoots well. Have never used it for hunting yet, too many other choices I guess.

 

[TN2shot07]

I have a 6.5 CM in a Browning X Bolt Maple Medallion that I put a Mcarbo trigger spring in. It's a pretty little rifle that that shoots well. Have never used it for hunting yet, too many other choices I guess.

Probably afraid to get that first scratch on the maple, they’re pretty guns!

 

[Addicting]

Right, and no one has contacted me to get the one I have for sale.

 

[Dave N]

Right, and no one has contacted me to get the one I have for sale.

It was actually posted after the spam guy. He's gone now.

 

[Addicting]

It was actually posted after the spam guy. He's gone now.

It’s still a fitting emoji for the whole thread.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Because it already existed. So I'm wondering why the market, especially the hunting market, has supported a clone so much more than it did the .260 (or 7mm-08). I've never seen shelves full of boxes of .260, and yet here is the 6.5 CM, barely its equal, that we now see everywhere.

The story of why the creedmoor was created is well published.

For starters the 260 SAAMI spec was 2.80” max COAL and 9 twist barrel. Neither of which support the 140 class bullets that people trying to shoot smallest groups and hit the most targets wanted to use.

So yes, SAAMI spec to SAAMI spec, the creedmoor is more than the 260s equal unless shooting lighter bullets. Modern longer magazine options and manufacturers using 8 twist barrels helps a bit but ammo is loaded based on saami spec, not what is available.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

@Justabirdwatcher - If we’re talking about cartridges that got the shaft you should really look up the one that started this argument, the 30 TC. A 308 sized case that offered 30-06 performance, if that had been marketed correctly we could be having this same discussion about the 308 & 30-06 now being obsolete…

Wasn’t really a competition basis for a slightly improved 308.

 

[huntnfisher]

Probably afraid to get that first scratch on the maple, they’re pretty guns!

Thanks, yes they are.