50 dead in Orlando. Largest mass shooting in modern era.

[dannyb278]

I have seen many people on different social media platforms already attacking guns and 2nd ammement rights. I will be curious to see how these guns were obtained by this guy and what effects it will have on our never ending fight to defend our 2nd ammement rights.

From the information so far, the guns were purchased legally. He was on a FBI watchlist, but that doesn't disqualify someone from purchasing weapons. This along with other situations were people under the FBI watch list, or noted mentally unstable folks have used recently bought firearms to enact massive tragedies only adds strength to the idea that firearms are to easy to obtain in the country.

I wont post my feeling on this topic either way, not on this thread which should remain un-political as noted by Admin.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooter-bought-guns-previous-flags-fbi/story?id=39799861

 

[Washington Hunter]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/17-facts-about-orlando-shooter-every-american-should-know

17 Facts About The Orlando Shooter That Every American Should Know

By Tyler Durden
Created 06/13/2016 - 23:25

Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog, [2]

America is in shock. On Sunday, a 29-year-old Islamic terrorist named Omar Mateen shot 102 people at a gay club known as Pulse in the heart of Orlando, Florida. 49 of those that were shot died, and 53 were wounded. So how in the world did this happen?

Well, when you combine radical political correctness with extreme government incompetence and the dramatic growth of radical Islam inside the United States, you create an environment which is absolutely primed for Islamic terror.

The truth is that the FBI knew about this guy well in advance. In fact, they had even interviewed him three separate times over the years. And at one point the government had been investigating the mosque that he had been attending, but that investigation was shut down by Hillary Clinton’s State Department. Mateen had told the FBI that he hoped to be a martyr someday, and those were not just idle words. His twisted ideology fueled his actions, and so the choices that he ultimately made should not have come as a surprise to law enforcement authorities. But now that this has happened, will it change the way that the government approaches Islamic terror?

The following are 17 facts about the Orlando shooter that every American should know…

#1 According to the Director of the FBI, Mateen had “links to al-Qaida, Hezbollah, and the Islamic State “.

#2 Mateen’s father has openly expressed support for the Taliban on YouTube.

#3 Despite those links to terror organizations, Mateen was allowed to work “as a security guard at a local courthouse“.

#4 Mateen wasn’t directly hired by the courthouse. Instead, he was officially an employee of the largest security services company in the world…

The Orlando nightclub terrorist who pledged allegiance to ISIS worked almost a decade for a major Department of Homeland Security contractor, raising alarms that ISIS sympathizers and agents have infiltrated the federal agency set up after 9/11 to combat terrorists.



Officials say Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, an Afghan-American who held two firearms licenses and a security officer license, was employed by the security firm G4S Secure Solutions USA Inc. since Sept. 10, 2007. The Jupiter, Fla.-based company merged with the Wackenhut Corp. after 9/11 and assumed federal contracts.

#5 It turns out that this U.S. subsidiary of G4S is a company that works very closely with “the Department of Homeland Security, the US Army, and federal and local law enforcement.”

#6 Mateen’s ex-wife says that he would repeatedly beat her while they were married.

#7 He started to become radicalized after separating from his first wife. While they were together, she said that he didn’t show much interest in religion.

#8 He made pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia in 2011 and 2012.

#9 He claimed to personally know the Boston Marathon Bombers.

#10 According to the FBI, Mateen has “been on the radar before“, he was interviewed by them three separate times, and they conducted a 10 month investigation of his activities in 2013.

#11 He is being described as “unhinged and unstable” by his former coworkers.

#12 Mateen once declared that he hoped to martyr himself someday, and the FBI knew all about this.

#13 Despite everything that the federal government knew about Mateen, he was still permitted to legally buy guns just last week.

#14 In an odd twist, it also turns out that Mateen was a registered Democrat.

#15 A respected Islamic scholar was urging Muslims in Orlando to “get rid” of homosexuals just a couple of months before this shooting took place…

Farrokh Sekaleshfar – a British-born doctor and Muslim scholar – has gained a following by urging Muslims to ‘get rid of’ homosexuals.



And in April, he took his speech titled ‘How to deal with the phenomenon of homosexuality’ to the Husseini Islamic Center in Sanford, just outside Orlando, Florida.



Two months later, 29-year-old Omar Mateen carried out the worst massacre in US history by opening fire on a gay club in the same city.

#16 Hillary Clinton’s State Department shut down an investigation of the mosque that Mateen attends because it “unfairly singled out Muslims “.

#17 Just moments before the attack, Mateen reportedly called 911 to swear his allegiance to ISIS.

When is it going to finally sink in for our politically correct politicians that Islamic terror is a major threat?

There are lots of other Omar Mateens out there. And as radical Islam continues to spread both inside and outside this country, the threat is only going to get a lot worse.

Barack Obama is a perfect example of just how clueless many of our top politicians are about all of this. During his speech to the nation, he did not connect this act of terror with radical Islam in any way, shape or form. But the only reason why Mateen did what he did was because of his worldview. He felt perfectly justified in picking up a weapon and gunning down dozens of people, and martyrdom was a reward in his eyes. If he had not been immersed in the world of radical Islam for years, he never would have done such a thing.

Wrong beliefs lead to wrong actions. We see this in action all around us every day, but most of the time the consequences are not as dramatic as we just witnessed in Orlando.

As I have been warning about for some time now, Islamic terror attacks inside the United States are going to continue to get worse.

If you think what happened in Orlando was bad, just wait until these terrorists get their hands on chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

The detonation of a single weapon of mass destruction in one of our major cities would instantly change life as we know it for every man, woman and child in this entire nation.

The ideology that fuels these terrorists continues to grow, and over time it is inevitable that they will acquire increasingly more powerful weapons.

So yes, gunning down dozens of people in a crowded nightclub is an atrocity that is so evil that it is hard to find words to describe it.

But someday we will see far, far worse in this nation, and at this point we are completely unprepared to deal with that reality.

 

[airlocksniffer]

How about that news that Omar Mateen was a regular at the nightclub? What's a better way to deflect questions about your own sexuality than to shoot up a gay nightclub? I think this is not a case of terrorism but self-hate fueled by religion. Perhaps if religions didn't demonize gay people this wouldn't have happened? It's easy for a surveillance state to take hold when you keep the populace scared of terrorism.

 

[rmyoung1]

How about that news that Omar Mateen was a regular at the nightclub? What's a better way to deflect questions about your own sexuality than to shoot up a gay nightclub? I think this is not a case of terrorism but self-hate fueled by religion. Perhaps if religions didn't demonize gay people this wouldn't have happened? It's easy for a surveillance state to take hold when you keep the populace scared of terrorism.

Well, it's important not to demonize religion either, as if it's all the same hateful ideology. Of course that's not the case. As a Christian and Christ follower, I'm instructed and taught to love my enemies and to pray for those who persecute me (Matthew 5:44). That command even extends to the Muslim terrorist. And while we don't fool ourselves and pretend like sin (in all its varied forms - both appalling and culturally accepted) doesn't exist, we follow Jesus and love others in spite of their sin and in spite of my own sin. If you don't like religious hypocrisy (and who does?), then Jesus is your guy.

 

[smarandr]

then Jesus is your guy.

Ah, Jesus. I like him very much. . .https://youtu.be/gndH9mhHPk0?t=36s

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[James Riley]

The great thing about our secular state is that we kept Christian Extremists in check. We need to keep the Islamic Extremists in check.

We are not a Christian State but, like the Islamic State, we could be if our Founding Fathers had made a right turn, instead of a left turn.

But they didn't, and now the Jesus/love/compassion Christians rule the day; not the other kind we find down through the ages. Hopefully the Mohamed/love/compassion Muslims will rule the day, not the other kind we find down through the ages.

Some would like the difference to be found in the teaching of the respective religions, but I think the difference is found in the State. Killing the bad ones is a good policy. But we have to make sure we maintain our State and the Civil Liberties laid out in the Bill of Rights (yes, including the Second Amendment). If we start checking our rights, including Muslim rights, in pursuit of Islamic Extremists, then they won. In fact, every time I see some lady stripping off her shoes for the TSA I know they've won, at least a little bit. Maintenance of our liberties in the face of attack and calls for "safety" is a measure of our strength, not our weakness. It is a welcome mat to the good Muslims and a death knell to the bad.

Clinton's pursuit of "Lone Wolfs" and the inevitable NSA intrusions and infringement on our rights is scary. What's the distopian classic where kids rat out their parents? "See something, say something"? That is where we are headed. A camera on every corner. How the hell else are we going to get all the Lone Wolfs before they act?

Likewise Trump's rhetoric about broad-brushing a religion based on "common sense".

We have to defend the Bill of Rights, even if that means we have to die at the hands of Extremists in the process. "Give me liberty, or give me death" and etc. Whatever happened to that? Now put on your helmet, your knee and elbow pads, get your helicopter mom and get out there!

 

[MinnesotaHunter]

Clinton's pursuit of "Lone Wolfs" and the inevitable NSA intrusions and infringement on our rights is scary. What's the distopian classic where kids rat out their parents? "See something, say something"? That is where we are headed. A camera on every corner. How the hell else are we going to get all the Lone Wolfs before they act?

The reality is that even if we did this, it wouldn't work. The hallmark of the insurgent is innovation. How many terrorist has TSA stopped? They have just forced innovation.

Like you said, they don't need to kill us to win, they just need to take away our freedom.

 

[dannyb278]

The reality is that even if we did this, it wouldn't work. The hallmark of the insurgent is innovation. How many terrorist has TSA stopped? They have just forced innovation.

Like you said, they don't need to kill us to win, they just need to take away our freedom.

Which much of this country is happy to hand over in the name of security or convenience. We have become Big Brother to ourselves when we upload our lives onto the internet.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Which much of this country is happy to hand over in the name of security or convenience. We have become Big Brother to ourselves when we upload our lives onto the internet.

Orwell could not have seen how amazingly narcissitic we are, and how it helps ensure everyone knows what's up in your biddness.