Wyoming Pref Point Purchase Time Allowed

[AIM STR8]

I was curious if there would be any advantage to extending the time allowed from having to purchase pref points at least every other year (skip a year) or you lose them. What do you think would change if anything if it was extended to at least every two of three years?

I know it sounds counterintuitive but was just curious what those of you in the know thought about it. I'm thinking there are some out there that are maybe buying pref points every other year just to keep what they have because they can no longer afford to buy every year.

It will be interesting to hear your comments ....

 

[T Chris]

You can already skip a year without losing your points. I wouldn’t add flexibility to buy points for multiple years as it would just add to an already existing problem. Maybe I’m not understanding your question.

 

[WapitiBob]

The cost of points isn't a deterrent to any NR that's serious about hunting Wyoming.

 

[LopeHunter]

The first step to recovery is admitting you are an addict. Addicts don't skip buying points. Addicts don't abandon points even when is zero chance they will draw a tag this year (looking at you WY Sheep and WY Moose if you are a NR applying who is not in the Max Point Pool).

Maybe addiction is a disease or maybe a choice or a bit of this and a bit of that. Is foolish to think WY will make it easier for a NR to spend less to stay in the game and to purchase the tag if drawn. "You can't draw if you don't apply" really could be shortened to "You can't draw" but even then a addict will hold out hope the game will change to cast favor on their next application. Good luck.

 

[wytex]

Good thing there is a random side of the draw.

 

[AIM STR8]

The point creep has sure gone crazy. And rightfully so it only makes sense to keep buying points if your hoping to be lucky to draw a tag for a decent area some day. I was trying to think of what it would take to lessen the point creep problem but apparently I was way off base. You have to wonder where it will all end up at in the future.

 

[nrpate05]

Preference points are becoming like airline miles. People seem to just accumulate them to accumulate them. I'm generally in favor of policies that incentivize people to use them.

 

[Steve O]

Preference points are becoming like airline miles. People seem to just accumulate them to accumulate them. I'm generally in favor of policies that incentivize people to use them.

Heck yes I was just reading about a guy with 15 AZ javelina points. Hard core

 

[The_Yuki_Yama]

Heck yes I was just reading about a guy with 15 AZ javelina points. Hard core

Preference points are becoming like airline miles. People seem to just accumulate them to accumulate them. I'm generally in favor of policies that incentivize people to use them.

I have points for tags that I could've drawn a few years ago (not 15 javis but still...). I will use most all of them at some point (I'm in my 20s so have time lol), but have had a few years of limited availability due to college, a new job, a wedding, honey moon, drawing other tags etc... I like having them because I know that if I don't draw a tag I really want, I can just use the ones I have a ton of points for. Then if I do draw the tag I want, I either don't apply or return the tag where possible.

The people (myself somewhat included) that may not end up using all or buy more points than are needed to draw are just giving money to state game agencies which is fine by me. I don't see why anyone would have an issue with it and I honestly would prefer the guys with lots of points would not use them which leaves more tags for those without all the points... why would you want to further incentivize someone to use them?

 

[Steve O]

I often will use many more points than necessary to do I hunt I have good intel for, to hunt with or help a friend, or just to go out west. I do hold out with some as well!

 

[Archer86]

The cost of points isn't a deterrent to any NR that's serious about hunting Wyoming.

Agreed we need to raise the prices

 

[The_Yuki_Yama]

Addicts don't abandon points even when is zero chance they will draw a tag this year (looking at you WY Sheep and WY Moose if you are a NR applying who is not in the Max Point Pool).

My plan for these really hard to draw nonresident tags is to just move to the state at some point and get residency...

Agreed we need to raise the prices

Why? You think prices should be so high that it is a deterrent? Non-resident hunting in Wyoming is not cheap...

 

[Forkyfinder]

My plan for these really hard to draw nonresident tags is to just move to the state at some point and get residency...

Why? You think prices should be so high that it is a deterrent? Non-resident hunting is Wyoming is not cheap...

He maay have mentioned raising prices because there are 200k point holders. Many are point collectors.

 

[antelopedundee]

My plan for these really hard to draw nonresident tags is to just move to the state at some point and get residency...

Why? You think prices should be so high that it is a deterrent? Non-resident hunting is Wyoming is not cheap...

Yep. $1200 for a NR special antelope tag isn't cheap. That's $30 per pound of meat right there.

 

[The_Yuki_Yama]

He maay have mentioned raising prices because there are 200k point holders. Many are point collectors.

So the idea is to get them to stop spending money on points? Or to try to extract more money from people that aren't actually taking anything form the resource?

 

[Forkyfinder]

So the idea is to get them to stop spending money on points? Or to try to extract more money from people that aren't actually taking anything form the resource?

Im not sure. But its disappointing to start at the ground as a NR - because theres a glutton of high point holders.

How does south dakota do NR elk hunting?

 

[Archer86]

My plan for these really hard to draw nonresident tags is to just move to the state at some point and get residency...

Thats everyone's plan but most just talk about it in the interweb......even the hard to draw tags in wyoming are difficult for residents. We just don't have points for dea thankfully. So it's a random chance but there are resident that will never draw a coveted draw tag here in some areas.

Why? You think prices should be so high that it is a deterrent? Non-resident hunting in Wyoming is not cheap...

Wyoming is actually not to bad for nr except elk and that depends how you look at it. Regular deer and antelope is around 400 bucks if you spring for the special around 1300

General montana nr deer tag is 800 ish so really not far off and now with utahs increases who knows what's going to happen.

I am starting to lean more torwards @Treeshark and starting to think the eplus system in new mexico could work in all of the states out west

 

[The_Yuki_Yama]

Thats everyone's plan but most just talk about it in the interweb......

I have lived in 4 western states in the last 8 years, so I'd like to think I'm not just all talk haha

Wyoming is actually not to bad for nr except elk and that depends how you look at it. Regular deer and antelope is around 400 bucks if you spring for the special around 1300

General montana nr deer tag is 800 ish so really not far off and now with utahs increases who knows what's going to happen.

I am starting to lean more torwards @Treeshark and starting to think the eplus system in new mexico could work in all of the states out west

No I don't think it's too bad and that's why I still buy tags. But I also don't want tags to be so expensive that most think it isn't worth it... I've been blessed and would still buy tags at a much higher price and that would improve my draw odds, but I just don't think that's right. What I do instead is apply for 10ish states so I can still spend the money and get more tags, but the higher prices don't totally make it unreachable for others.

Isn't eplus just giving tags to landowners? How does this help?
I don't particularly hate NM where its a random draw, but this would make planning much more difficult for me lol with points I can plan out and have a decent plan where I'd be hunting each year. If every state was random, some years I could end up with multiple tags, and other years nothing...

Im not sure. But its disappointing to start at the ground as a NR - because theres a glutton of high point holders.

How does south dakota do NR elk hunting?

If high point holders got tags instead of just buying points, there would be fewer tags for low point holders... It would take longer to draw on average. It would not improve the of those with few points.
Imagine one guy that hunts for 30 years in a zone that takes 5 points. Guy 1 buys points all the time and only hunts every 15 years. He takes two tags. Guy 2 instead uses points. He gets 6 tags in that same time. That's 4 fewer tags going to those that don't have that many points.
I agree it sucks to not have points. I only have 2 wyoming elk points currently. But I can draw fairly soon, partailly thanks to all these guys that just collect points and don't hunt. If they all were trying to get tags, I'd be further back in the line...

SD doesn't allow non-resident (assume this is rhetorical), wbut as a non-resident, I don't like it, but also didn;t particularly agree when I was a resident. But considering the herd size is less than 10% of that in Wyoming and less than 3% of that in Colorado, it really doesn't surprise me much. Even resident tags can take a couple decades so if they had the same policy as Wyoming it'd be atrocious. If your suggestion is some sort of reciprocity, do you think other states should not allow Wyoming residents to hunt their wilderness without a guide? Quite the slippery slope that I think would end up hurting hunting for anyone hunting out of their home state.



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