What are your highly educated opinions on tech in hunting?

[Hammsolo]

Hey All, My brother and I were chatting last night and he’s pondering getting some Sig Sauer Zulu image stabilizing binoculars. This led to finding Swaros $5000 AI powered binoculars that is supposed to be able to identify birds. How long before AI simply scans the viewing field for critters you request?

So, where are your lines? E-bikes are stupid. I don’t think image stabilization is over the top, but AI can get the eff out.

 

[rogerthat]

I feel like highly educated might be sarcasm but tech is wrecking hunting and woodmanship for sure. I feel it’s likely right up there with the greatest threat to hunting and hunting heritages. The state game agencies need to get out front of things fast or it will be too late imo. Sadly most of them are way behind the 8 ball

 

[Hammsolo]

I absolutely agree. The rate of tech change is astronomical. Flying a drone with motion tracking and AI identification exists. It’s expensive, but I bet a dollar some wealthy dude is already using it.

Fox tech Drone

 

[rogerthat]

I absolutely agree. The rate of tech change is astronomical. Flying a drone with motion tracking and AI identification exists. It’s expensive, but I bet a dollar some wealthy dude is already using it.

Fox tech Drone

Well check out the thermal drone research guy on YouTube. That gives you an idea of the effectiveness of that and he doesnt use ai

 

[Redman]

Can you all remember before OnX, when you had to use a topographical map and a compass? Do you remember the places you could go and not see anyone else? I admit I use it and like it but it opened up a lot of areas to those who weren’t comfortable or not motivated enough to learn navigation skills. Trail cameras using cellular technology to monitor game movement's. It is a tech world that has vastly improved success…if that is how you define success.

 

[geetar]

I'm not highly educated by any means but I think people who trade woodsmanship and skills for tech gain short term gratification but cheat themselves out of the knowledge gained in the learning curve. I feel sort of the same way about extreme long range hunting and the technology some employ to shoot 1000 yards at deer, elk and bears. I'm sure those people are going to kill a lot more animals than me and if that's your only goal then knock yourself out but I just don't have any interest in mailing bullets to another zip code. I'm not for banning tech by any means but I choose not use a lot of it.

 

[Tmbrgost]

Good topic!

I actually hate the idea of tech changes coming in a lot of areas but especially hunting. It isn’t about “if” it changes it’s about “when”. At some tipping point the animals will cease to exist because the tech has taken away all advantage.

IMO thermal is crossing a hard line of no return as it relates to hunting!

 

[geetar]

Can you all remember before OnX, when you had to use a topographical map and a compass? Do you remember the places you could go and not see anyone else? I admit I use it and like it but it opened up a lot of areas to those who weren’t comfortable or not motivated enough to learn navigation skills. Trail cameras using cellular technology to monitor game movement's. It is a tech world that has vastly improved success…if that is how you define success.

I don't run any cell cameras but if I did those are a technology that I would use. For the simple reason of being able to get the pics while not invading the area. Again though it's a technology I'm fine with but choose not to use, I prefer to go hunting and just be surprised by what shows up instead of spending all summer naming bucks.

 

[Forkyfinder]

IMO thermal is crossing a hard line of no return as it relates to hunting!

if i were to say theres a single threat - its that.

No one with a valid big game tag should be able to have one around while the seasons open.

 

[rogerthat]

I'm not highly educated by any means but I think people who trade woodsmanship and skills for tech gain short term gratification but cheat themselves out of the knowledge gained in the learning curve. I feel sort of the same way about extreme long range hunting and the technology some employ to shoot 1000 yards at deer, elk and bears. I'm sure those people are going to kill a lot more animals than me and if that's your only goal then knock yourself out but I just don't have any interest in mailing bullets to another zip code. I'm not for banning tech by any means but I choose not use a lot of it.

They are going to kill a lot more animals than you without they themselves knowing it. That’s what I worry about.

 

[Tmbrgost]

I don't run any cell cameras but if I did those are a technology that I would use. For the simple reason of being able to get the pics while not invading the area. Again though it's a technology I'm fine with but choose not to use, I prefer to go hunting and just be surprised by what shows up instead of spending all summer naming bucks.

Agreed! It is a weird human phenomenon that I have never been able to understand…naming your steak before you eat it.

 

[BuzzH]

Animals won't cease to exist, but long seasons and drawing tags more often absolutely will.

Trying to control technology beyond the individual is really tough, in particular in a heavily Capitalistic society like ours. Making money off anything and everything is all we worry about, hunting is no exception.

 

[geetar]

They are going to kill a lot more animals than you without they themselves knowing it. That’s what I worry about.

Yep 400-500 is about as far as I'd be willing to shoot and it would have to be really good circumstances for that. I know some can shoot much further and do it well but when you get out beyond MPBR for your rifle a lot of factors start affecting it and a lot of things have to go right to risk not wounding or missing wildly and being able to take wind speed from shooting location don't mean it's blowing the same 1000 yards away so tech can fail you.

 

[Tmbrgost]

They are going to kill a lot more animals than you without they themselves knowing it. That’s what I worry about.

Technology can only cover for so much and then experience, maturity, reasoning and conviction have to be given precedence or bad things happen.

 

[geetar]

Technology can only cover for so much and then experience, maturity, reasoning and conviction have to be given precedence or bad things happen.

Conviction, reasoning, and maturity seem to be thrown out the window when there is money to be made on filming long shots.

 

[Hammsolo]

Agreed! It is a weird human phenomenon that I have never been able to understand…naming your steak before you eat it.

I smoked Fred last night and ended him with a sear of Kerry’s butter. He was delicious!

 

[geetar]

Since we are on the subject of tech. How do yall feel about long range muzzleloaders. It don't sit right with me. We have primitive weapons season for a reason. If it can shoot 500 yards just let them use the bolt actions and stop calling it a primitive weapon.

 

[Hammsolo]

Technology can only cover for so much and then experience, maturity, reasoning and conviction have to be given precedence or bad things happen.

I’m not sure your intent, but that’s simply not true. I think ideally it is true, but advanced technologies that incorporate AI are a real threat.

Cell cameras with AI that tracks all the data, processes it and predicts patterns? It may already exist for all I know. We have to start considering laws around tech in hunting. Many states banned lighted knocks, which is kind of dumb. Are we going to end up with archery, muzzy, rifle and tech season?

 

[Hammsolo]

Since we are on the subject of tech. How do yall feel about long range muzzleloaders. It don't sit right with me. We have primitive weapons season for a reason. If it can shoot 500 yards just let them use the bolt actions and stop calling it a primitive weapon.

Yep 400-500 is about as far as I'd be willing to shoot and it would have to be really good circumstances for that. I know some can shoot much further and do it well but when you get out beyond MPBR for your rifle a lot of factors start affecting it and a lot of things have to go right to risk not wounding or missing wildly and being able to take wind speed from shooting location don't mean it's blowing the same 1000 yards away so tech can fail you.

Is t it just a single shot rifle???
https://www.gunwerks.com/muzzleloader-series

 

[rogerthat]

Agreed! It is a weird human phenomenon that I have never been able to understand…naming your steak before you eat it.

I have never understood why the naming critters gets some people so riled up. It really does help with clear concise communication. Let me illustrate.

Buddy:what did you see?

Me: I saw the 6x7 buck with a split eyeguards on his right kicker and the double cheaters off his right g2 and left g3

Vs

Buddy: what did you see?

Me: I saw trash head