What 100 year old cartridges do you use

[Jack Ryan]

The bald eagles came back because we banned DDT.

I can think of few ways for a wild animal to die, that is worse than slowly being poisoned by lead.

It happens to all critters that scavenge on lead fragment filled gutpiles.

Many of your remarks I will file under "What-aboutism", Nikita Krueschev invented it. When asked about some insult to humanity thy were doing he would answer back with "what about this and what about that"

Is just a way of avoiding personal responsibility.

The heavy metal industries have committed and continue to commit some of the most atrocious environment crimes against nature and people, usually poor people.

When hunters choose to turn their backs on this obvious big picture and participate with their own version of spreading a toxic metal around, and even feeding it to their families, they have become part of that

We owe our wild lands and wildlife so much more.

So you say. You calling it obvious doesn't make it true or obvious any more than Anthony Fauci calling some thing "science".

 

[SCW]

I was never so happy to stop using a bullet in my life as I was with Paritions.
I mean using a bullet that was designed to fall apart, losing 15% to 35% on impact.

This was the last lead core bullet I used before going to Barnes all copper.

I shot a big tough wild boar with it and it fell to pieces,

Reminded me of a song by Patsy Cline, "I fall to Pieces".

Barnes bullets required a learning curve, no question about, and they did spend a lot of R & D time working out the bugs, but when they did, "WOW" using their bullets was like having Bruce Lee coming out of your barrel, a lean mean fighting machine.

Partitions came to represent the no longer of value past, old, slow overweight, and falling apart.

Merging high tech Barnes bullets in old rifles was such an efficient step up for old calibers. It put the testosterone back in them.

Partitions belong in a rocking chair, still needing a blanket on them even in front of the fire. Old, cold, not bold.

Partitions are a great bullet. You lose a tiny bit of weight and they always exit leaving a nice blood trail. Everybody I’ve known who shot Barnes other than the lrx talks about how tough 100# does are and always has a rodeo story on recovery with multiple wholes in the deer. I’ve shot one deer with a copper and never again. Partitions close and eldx for longer shots and non magnums close.

 

[gemihur]

38WCF (38-40) in my 1873 Winchester, manuf 1888
recently left to me by my brother

 

[MS 9x56]

Then check for yourself. It took two-three minutes to review fingerprint elements in lead for bullets, always tin, then tungsten or Antimony depending on type of bullets/lead.

Call Barnes toll free and ask about the difference between the 168 and 165 grain 30 cal TTSXBT bullets. Maybe three minutes time.

Then just google "disease's resurging in Africa from lack of scavenging birds", one minute for that, then another one googling "cause of scavenging birds dying off in Africa" Maybe three minutes total

Just think, in under 10 minutes you could have all this solid info for yourself.

Digesting these genuine facts would take a bit more time, but you could do it for yourself too.

Now I really am confused. You really think you get true facts from Google? You do you and I will just keep stacking them up with the antiquated Nosler partitions. I had all of your “facts” I care to.

 

[MS 9x56]

Partitions are a great bullet. You lose a tiny bit of weight and they always exit leaving a nice blood trail. Everybody I’ve known who shot Barnes other than the lrx talks about how tough 100# does are and always has a rodeo story on recovery with multiple wholes in the deer. I’ve shot one deer with a copper and never again. Partitions close and eldx for longer shots and non magnums close.

My biggest problem with the all copper bullets is copper build up in the rifling. I have not tried them with CFE powders however. Nosler partitions have never let me down.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

My biggest problem with the all copper bullets is copper build up in the rifling. I have not tried them with CFE powders however. Nosler partitions have never let me down.

Thank you for your response.
I heard this joke long ago.

A man applies for a job. The person reviewing his application reads that he says that he is never late for work, always does his best, gets along with everyone, pays attention, and on and on offers his merits.

The interview says "Wow, this is impressive, do you have any faults, ?

The applicant answers, "Well sometime I lie"

Game over

Nosler partitions are lead core.

For me with what I know now game over.


Now back to your fouling problem. Call Barnes and talk to their ballistician about it. Modern Barnes bullets have built in pressure relief grooves along the shank that catch copper shavings take them out which greatly reduces copper fouling and reduces chamber pressure.

Going back decades ago I was a licensed hunting guide operating in the Condor recovery zone in California, mostly I guided for boar hunting.
In 2008, by law all lead bullets were banned there. At first, I thought it was bullshit but the deeper I looked the more I saw the merit of it, but I was still pissed off. A lifetime of loads for lead core bullets down the drain.

Barnes bullets did have lots of problems in their beginning years.

Loading them was tricky, and I got lots of practice as I began loading them for my clients, to comply with the law.

Fouling and overpenetration and failing to open were early problems. Paying attention to their R and D developments is a must.

I have not had the slightest problem anymore. I use their copper solvent when cleaning. I use the bullets that match my velocity.

Boy do they kill. I left California long ago, have hunted over three states and my experience with modern Barnes bullets is the best performance i have ever had, and they are environmentally clean, which is very important to me.

THank you for your response

 

[Mustangs Rule]

Now I really am confused. You really think you get true facts from Google? You do you and I will just keep stacking them up with the antiquated Nosler partitions. I had all of your “facts” I care to.

Google is just the first step; it can then take you deeper and deeper. I am soon to be 79, at 70 I retired from teaching high school. I taught biology, chemistry, ecology and construction tech.

About 5 years before I retired part of my required continuing education, was taking a four month long full semester online grad class on evaluating website information sources.

It was the most important course I ever took in my later years.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

Partitions are a great bullet. You lose a tiny bit of weight and they always exit leaving a nice blood trail. Everybody I’ve known who shot Barnes other than the lrx talks about how tough 100# does are and always has a rodeo story on recovery with multiple wholes in the deer. I’ve shot one deer with a copper and never again. Partitions close and eldx for longer shots and non magnums close.

Early Barnes bullets had lots of those problems. Check out this field report

I Use Copper Bullets for Deer Hunting. Here’s What I’ve Learned.

For 15 years, this writer has almost exclusively used copper bullets for deer and other big game hunting. Here's his advice on choosing cooper.

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