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Court orders Ukranian mom in Bozeman to return her daughter to war-torn country

As families gather for the holidays, a refugee who came to Bozeman to keep her daughter safe is now facing a court ruling to send her daughter back to war-torn Ukraine.

www.kbzk.com

 

[Jcs271]

Obviously there's a lot more details than given here in this little fluff piece of an article.

I'm betting that he had lawful custody and SHE fled the country with the kid. So an order returning the child to enforce the original judgment is certainly not unreasonable.

Mom can go back over there and make her argument in court.

These types of things happen a lot and whether it is a parent fleeing a state or a country, the only option is to go with the original order.

P.S. I agree that Molloy is an idiot but this is custody law 101.

 

[Deleted member 16864]

Obviously there's a lot more details than given here in this little fluff piece of an article.

I'm betting that he had lawful custody and SHE fled the country with the kid. So an order returning the child to enforce the original judgment is certainly not unreasonable.

Mom can go back over there and make her argument in court.

These types of things happen a lot and whether it is a parent fleeing a state or a country, the only option is to go with the original order.

P.S. I agree that Molloy is an idiot but this is custody law 101.

Should the USA enforce Russian law too?

 

[EKYHunter]

Should the USA enforce Russian law too?

USA honors other countries lawful custody orders. We’d expect the same.

 

[peterk1234]

Should the USA enforce Russian law too?

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 16864]

Lots of male Ukrainian citizens breaking Ukraines conscription laws, guess we need to start rounding them up………

 

[longbow51]

Sure were a lot of war hawks on here a year or so ago urging this on.

And, will Molloy ever retire?

 

[Sytes]

The U4U program is for two years. They are required to have a U.S. sponsor, they're authorized to work/study, and hold temporary residence in the U.S. They are not "admitted" into the U.S.. They are paroled.

There are many aspects missing from this emotional tug heart strings article. The other side of this, Ukraine is one of Europe's leading funnel points for human trafficking, etc. Zelensky has certainly made an impact to root out this garbage though organized crime is extremely strong within long standing corrupt governments. She's found U.S. a much safer country for her child - can anyone blame her? I don't. I'd fight tooth and nail though it's a losing battle to begin.

Seeing as though this lady took the U4U program and made a run for the U.S., her parole time is ticking down. Eligibility to re-enroll in the parole U4U is available though I'd imagine this lawful international custody order also plays an adverse factor in her own ability to re-enroll, none the less her [their] child.

This article is a journo's wet dream ASPCA commercial type promotion... Far more going on.

 

[Sytes]

Sure were a lot of war hawks on here a year or so ago urging this on.

I'd imagine there still are. Just not the right thread to debate whether one supports Ukraine or Russia.

Ukraine / Russia

I know and respect how we try to keep HT neutered from political conversations. That said, I saw the below photo of a child’s stuffed animal that exactly mirrored a stuffed hedgehog my 3 year old son has. Choked up a bit. I’d prefer keeping the discussion clear of R/D entanglements. But damn, it...

www.hunttalk.com

 

[Deleted member 16864]

The U4U program is for two years. They are required to have a U.S. sponsor, they're authorized to work/study, and hold temporary residence in the U.S. They are not "admitted" into the U.S.. They are paroled.

There are many aspects missing from this emotional tug heart strings article. The other side of this, Ukraine is one of Europe's leading funnel points for human trafficking, etc. Zelensky has certainly made an impact to root out this garbage though organized crime is extremely strong within long standing corrupt governments. She's found U.S. a much safer country for her child - can anyone blame her? I don't. I'd fight tooth and nail though it's a losing battle to begin.

Seeing as though this lady took the U4U program and made a run for the U.S., her parole time is ticking down. Eligibility to re-enroll in the parole U4U is available though I'd imagine this lawful international custody order also plays an adverse factor in her own ability to re-enroll, none the less her [their] child.

This article is a journo's wet dream ASPCA commercial type promotion... Far more going on.

Shouldn’t this father be on the front lines with all the other fathers? That’s no place to raise a kid, is it?

 

[Sytes]

Instead of posting a response, we need to add an eye roll for the sad, laughter, thumb up, etc icons.

 

[Bonasababy]

Shouldn’t this father be on the front lines with all the other fathers? That’s no place to raise a kid, is it?

This...

Seems like there ought to be some extenuating circumstances given the war...not permanent perhaps but delays.

Custody battles can be complex--he said she said is tough to decipher from a continent away.

But she's gainfully employed and has strong local support. We need more immigrants to become permanent, especially those already integrated into our culture and gainfully employed. Not enough US borne babies out there or even possible to make up for the HUGE loss in baby boomers retiring. Future of the country's economy depends on at least replacing those lost and we can't do it without major changes in the outrage of the day (against governement incenvtives to have kids, make it cheaper to raise kids, support for an orderly immigration process that brings more in and a portal for citizenship that is reasonable and easier than what exists now.

 

[Sytes]

We need more immigrants to become permanent, especially those already integrated into our culture and gainfully employed

I don't believe you comprehend the the definition of "immigrant" and "permanent". An "immigrant" is a "permanent" person in the U.S.. A "Non-Immigrant" is a person temporarily in the U.S. ranging from visiting Disneyland to working under the USMCA, H1B, E3, etc...
Then there are people "paroled" such as Haitians, Somalians, Cubans, Ukrainians, etc due to conflicts our government offers as temporary refuge that are neither immigrants nor non-immigrants.

 

[Carnage2011]

Based on that article, we know nothing about this case. If she fled the country and brought their child against the will of her husband then she should have to go back. But there could be a lot more to this than we know.

 

[NR_Hunter]

This...

Seems like there ought to be some extenuating circumstances given the war...not permanent perhaps but delays.

Custody battles can be complex--he said she said is tough to decipher from a continent away.

But she's gainfully employed and has strong local support. We need more immigrants to become permanent, especially those already integrated into our culture and gainfully employed. Not enough US borne babies out there or even possible to make up for the HUGE loss in baby boomers retiring. Future of the country's economy depends on at least replacing those lost and we can't do it without major changes in the outrage of the day (against governement incenvtives to have kids, make it cheaper to raise kids, support for an orderly immigration process that brings more in and a portal for citizenship that is reasonable and easier than what exists now.

I only there was a country directly south of us that has citizens who want to get here.

 

[Sytes]

Based on that article, we know nothing about this case. If she fled the country and brought their child against the will of her husband then she should have to go back. But there could be a lot more to this than we know.

"In August 2023, through the United for Ukraine program, Zhanna and her daughter arrived in Bozeman after days of travel."

She entered under the U4U humanitarian parole program.

Her two year parole is close to expiring. Her request to re-enroll for another two year parole hinges on no considerable issues rising from her time in the U.S.. This is a requirement for anyone under a humanitarian parole. A legitimate international custodial battle would be an, "issue".

My guess, her only option, no matter how Longshot a chance, was to request U.S. District Court rule in her favor for herself and her daughter to clear the opportunity to re-enroll and remain another two years.
It was a stretch however she had to try...

Regardless, w/ the ruling and her parole time frame, she's faced with returning to Ukraine.

Now? Desperation settles in as Malloy ruled against her. Likely her sponsoring friend that petitioned for her U4U is the $$$ winner that paid for her legal fees in U.S. now? Desperation sets in further.
Feed a subjective journalist to exagerate and play the ASPCA themed, desperation public plea.

Life.

 

[Deleted member 16864]

She entered under the U4U humanitarian parole program.

Her two year parole is close to expiring. Her request to re-enroll for another two year parole hinges on no considerable issues rising from her time in the U.S.. This is a requirement for anyone under a humanitarian parole. A legitimate international custodial battle would be an, "issue".

My guess, her only option, no matter how Longshot a chance, was to request U.S. District Court rule in her favor for herself and her daughter to clear the opportunity to re-enroll and remain another two years.
It was a stretch however she had to try...

Regardless, w/ the ruling and her parole time frame, she's faced with returning to Ukraine.

Now? Desperation settles in as Malloy ruled against her. Likely her sponsoring friend that petitioned for her U4U is the $$$ winner that paid for her legal fees in U.S. now? Desperation sets in further.
Feed a subjective journalist to exagerate and play the ASPCA themed, desperation public plea.

Life.

The only way her ex isn't in Donbass on the front lines, and instead able to petition the US Federal court system, is what? Malloy "shuttle docking" with the Ukrainian "legal" system does nothing but degrade the legal system of the USA.

 

[millerkiller77]

Illegal is illegal regardless of age, gender, nationality, or ethnicity. Bye bye, enjoy the free peanuts on you're deportation flight. I hope there are enough seats on the plane to get rid of all the white knight sympathizers too.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

Illegal is illegal regardless of age, gender, nationality, or ethnicity. Bye bye, enjoy the free peanuts on you're deportation flight. I hope there are enough seats on the plane to get rid of all the white knight sympathizers too.

Ukraine flights still serve peanuts? That’s freedom. US airlines are all Communist because someone with a peanut allergy may eat complimentary peanuts.

 

[Deleted member 16864]

Ukraine flights still serve peanuts? That’s freedom. US airlines are all Communist because someone with a peanut allergy may eat complimentary peanuts.

You’d probably feel differently if a peanut killed, or nearly killed, your kid.