That applies to most media and most issues.
The option to not have a strong opinion on something is an under-utilized skill these days.
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That applies to most media and most issues.
The option to not have a strong opinion on something is an under-utilized skill these days.
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This is incredibly true. Sadly, saying you don't have a strong opinion now comes with the stigma of "then you disagree with me"
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Well I don't think that we needed media to tell us about trans issues. The trans community themselves forced it down our throats every second of every day. I don't have a problem with trans people. I have a problem with insisting I play along and jamming it down our throats. I wasn't enlightened by the media. I was enlightened by the trans community.
I can concede that. ANY topic that is unwantedly thrust onto people will immediately turn people off from your cause.
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Yes, watching my daughter lose to a dude, clearly a dude - more jacked than I ever was in high school - has not made me overly sympathetic to trans rights in sports.
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Changed your mind on that some?
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I wouldn't care. I totally want fake women with dicks around my daughters in locker rooms and competing with them in sports.
And if someone can teach them they get to choose or create their own gender and that the most caring/kind/compassionate are drawn to the freaks, that would be great for their psyche as they grow into adults.
May I ask which sport?
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XC and Track and Field.
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Yeah, at least a bit. As my mom said, "Women spent a lifetime fighting for title 9, and now men are still trying to take it away."
Gotcha. I don't have strong opinions on trans issues related to athletics and can absolutely see points from both sides, but I view it as a separate issue than the greater conversation related to trans and LGBT. Not the intent or purpose of this thread but HT is such a breath of fresh air when it comes to (mostly) civil discourse and hearing views and opinions that are different than mine.
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Would any guy here make the decision to live their entire life as a woman, take hormone blockers, potentially have surgery, just to be a women's sports star? Even if it was aspirations of going pro, the earnings potential in women's sports is like a hundredth of men's sports. So if you start with the baseline assumption that they're making these decisions with sports not being the driving factor, there has to be some way to let them participate in doing something they love. I get that it's not fair, but I guess it's a good primer for life after high school where nothing is fair and there's always going to be someone doing better than you because of circumstances outside your control. But I'm with you, I acknowledge it's a complicated subject and not one that I have a really strong stance on.
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It is pretty interesting how these longer threads have a plot wander like a soap opera.
imo, the left missed the boat regarding transgendered male to female athletes competing in women's sports. The male body when it has gone thru puberty just has unfair advantages, athletically.
In my hey day, I was a decent basketball player, decently tall. I played a fair amount of noon ball at the local Y. During summer break, there would be a few women who would also play. All of them were playing women's collegiate basketball. All of them struggled to compete against stronger, taller, quicker men.
One of the women was about the most decorated basketball player to play at Montana. She could kind of hold her own, but there were many men much better than her.
While I do not think many men would transition to play, just for the athletic career, if becoming transgendered is so important to someone, foregoing a competitive athletic career is not a huge price.
imo, the left missed the boat regarding transgendered male to female athletes competing in women's sports. The male body when it has gone thru puberty just has unfair advantages, athletically.
In my hey day, I was a decent basketball player, decently tall. I played a fair amount of noon ball at the local Y. During summer break, there would be a few women who would also play. All of them were playing women's collegiate basketball. All of them struggled to compete against stronger, taller, quicker men.
One of the women was about the most decorated basketball player to play at Montana. She could kind of hold her own, but there were many men much better than her.
While I do not think many men would transition to play, just for the athletic career, if becoming transgendered is so important to someone, foregoing a competitive athletic career is not a huge price.
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Seems we are somewhat out of touch in Montana. As far as I know, there are no cases of trans competing in sports in Montana. It is understandable that a parent would be concerned if an athletically talented daughter had to compete against an athletic trans. However, IMO the incidence of that is almost to the point of rarity. The few cases across the world have unnecessarily caused real dumpster fires ... as there are a gazillion real issues and life impacting real problems which are more deserving of solving. Not that the trans dynamic is even solvable.
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Has any State banned a transgender athlete from participating in the division of their actual gender? Seems to me that would be the starting point.
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So which is it?
Math is for nerds and democrats!
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Without looking into regulations, I can't imagine there are any situations where Female-to-male trans athletes who are taking male sex-enhancing hormones are allowed to compete against women who aren't on said hormones. And I think it would be just as off-putting as the more commonly-cited biological male in women's sports.
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You may very well be right. Wonder if at the high school level that is even an issue that happens? Every example at the high school level I have ever heard of was boy-to-girl.
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