geetar
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Bringing in your friends and family to kill 23 deer off a 20 acre parcel is the Eastern version of spot burning and ruining an area.
How about an Eastern US hunting issue?
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Gellar
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Do deer identify as more then 1 name? What if Seeth names him floppy, and the 800 acre man names him titan and the 20 acre man names the same deer meat stix? Will the deer be confused?
It’s crazy what is allowed. There are basically no wetlands left around here on private property. Everything has been drained. Now the farmers are going back and putting tile grids in to ensure absolutely no water is allowed to recharge our aquifers and to make sure as many nutrients as possible make it into our rivers and lakes. In the meantime, the state is dumping chemicals into the lakes to try to keep the algae blooms at bay. Every year I think it can’t get worse. Then, a week after harvest is done, the tiling machines are back out in full force.
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Pffff…..hold my beer bro.
My lease is the yellow boundary. Welcome to my yearly nightmare. Everyone wonders why I go on two out of state trips a year.
Its a success story that ANY deer even survive the 3 MONTH rifle season where I hunt.
seeth07
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They survive because I think most people are generally respectful and pretty good at deer management on private. The general herd can afford a few bad apples laying waste to every deer they see. Most though are only taking what they need for their freezers and than only excess being high quality mature bucks
seeth07
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Yup same here. Tilling season started this week here. If I were to ever go criminal, my list of crimes would be all in efforts destroying tilling equipment.
Development is obviously the worst habitat destroyer. Number two is easily tilling.
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I don't know how you know all of those locations, but I like the idiots camp...lol
Mallardsx2
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The real reason I posted that picture is because I feel our situation is very similar.
IMHO the deer survive in my area because WE provide them a safe haven during the season and only shoot bucks. If we shot a lot of does, I truly believe that the population would collapse for years and the coyotes would hold the deer population under water in that area for a long time. The surrounding clubs have shot the place to pieces with their "If you see a doe, kill a doe" and their "We have too many does" mentality. I cant hardly blame them. Most of them are from the city and they don't know any better. They are blindly following and implementing policy based on what someone has parroted on youtube or at a deer management seminar (which are tailored towards 2 guys hunting a 500 acre big buck managed farm in Iowa.....Not 75 guys hunting a 2500 acre area..)
This year we didn't kill a single deer off of our lease. Based on our inventory, we are still "rebounding" from the covid deer extermination free-for-all.
In summary, every area is different. However, by not shooting does (or at least limiting the harvest), you can make a difference. I know its a hard pill to swallow when your letting deer walk and they get blasted when they cross the property line. I get it. And I am not saying not to shoot a doe here and there. There is a right and a wrong time to shoot white-tailed does for sure. Just don't join the "if you cant beat them, join them".... That solves nothing. Treat your property as its own ecosystem the best you can and manage it to a level of deer that you think is right.
seeth07
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This is something that has indeed crossed my mind. I could invite a bunch of people (perhaps some HT'ers!) to just come and help me by sitting the edge of their woods and shooting every deer before they go into it. That just doesn't really solve the problem though long term
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Deep down, you know that you're better than that and doing that just shows that you don't GAF about the resource.
Education and conversation in this situation might be the best course of action. Take the high road. Yes, Crow tastes like $hit.
Bowhuntrben
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Our neighbors sat on the boundary line one year. My uncle was hunting by himself and shot a buck way down in a hole. As mentioned, breaking them down is not something we do in MN. The neighbors got to listen to a come-along click click click for hours while he slowly dragged his buck out of that hole. Neighbors haven't sat there since
Note that he didn't do it to intentionally bother them...they were just victims of the circumstance. Those neighbors also own thousands of acres, so I'm sure they felt they didn't need to waste their time trying that again.
Sounds like you're going to be dropping a couple well placed trees on a travel route to "improve" your area. Firewood for future use. Might not be a bad thing to change a route or two. It may just redirect the deer completely off of their 20. Now is a great time to see what happens with your efforts.
Might not be a bad thing to change a route or two. It may just redirect the deer completely off of their 20. Now is a great time to see what happens with your efforts.The neighboring farmer didn’t like our restored wetland, so he complained to the state. They paid to tile his field right up to the property line so that he doesn’t get his tractor tires muddy on about a 1/8th acre of his land. The tiling happened in September. I took the employee that oversaw the restoration out hunting for teal season. His dog wouldn’t stop growling at the tiling machine sitting there. We both agreed that the dog knew what the real enemy was that morning.
Getting back to the initial post, I’d bet the thrill of shooting as many deer as they can will soon fade. Dealing with 23 deer is a lot of work. My guess is that within a couple years it’ll be a thing of the past. They’ll get to spend more time hunting if they aren’t gutting and dragging deer. They can still look back and “brag” about 2025 when they killed their 23 deer.
I agree with the above.
Make your land more desirable to the deer via cover, food plots, etc.
Fencing or big piles or windrows of brush and trees to alter deer travel patterns.
Make them comply with the legal requirements of the easement, no more vehicles.
Shut off any access onto your place for retrieving wounded game.
Not much else you can do other than move away or buy their place.
The eastern hunting thing is getting wild, and only gonna get worse. I consider myself eastern yet. It’s broken into 2 factions and I’m in the middle. Most farmers are pushed by insane property taxes ($100+ an acre) to farm every square inch they can, the amount of timber lost in my area over the past 20 years is staggering. Then you have guys trying to make smaller parcels the best habitat they can. The farmers want all the deer killed, so when the guy with an 80 trying to keep and grow deer is surrounded by farmers who let everyone hunt and kill everything it leads to a lot of hard feelings. Honestly if I didn’t have my own land I wouldn’t hunt here at all, it’s too much work and too much fighting to even be enjoyable.
seeth07
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are you kidding me? That is really the case in NE? That is bonkers!
Here is my tax bill this year for one of my parcels which is just over 50 acres with the assessment listing 22+ acres as agricultural and 28 as "undeveloped"
Yep, and it’s worse out west where it’s irrigated. It costs me way more to hunt property I own in Nebraska than it does for me to hunt elk in a state I’m a non resident in
seeth07
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So I shouldn't be mad about my tax bills going up 6% this year?
No.
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