Data Centers

Ok, here goes. This is on my phone, so excuse the spelling and lack of grammar. I live and farm in Council Bluffs, Iowa; literally right across the river from Omaha, Nebraska. I’m 7th generation farmer here, it’s all I’ve ever known. I don’t know the exact time frame, but somewhere around 25 years ago, Google decided to start a data center about 15 miles south of us. Was a big deal, made the small time farmer that owned the 500 acres a multi millionaire over night. We custom farmed the ground from then on out for 5 or 6 years till it got so big, there was nothing left to farm. It was a nightmare to deal with and I was glad when we were done with it. 2nd year after selling, the farmer who sold had a massive heart attack snowmobiling out west, deader than a door nail. 25 years later, it looks like its own massive city, still nowhere near complete. THOUSANDS of side dumps every day pour in and out of that place. The enormity of it all, I still haven’t got used to.

My story: 20 years ago the city comes to us wanting some of our ground because they “need” another water treatment facility (we literally farm right on the Missouri River). We say not interested….a bunch of back and forth court bullshit and they’re building it on our land. Eminent Domain, for the “public Use”. A year later, we find out its soul purpose is to provide water to cool all the big computer deals at Google. 100% of that water is for googles use. They paid somewhere around 20k an acre for it.

10 years ago, another data company buys a small 30 acre farm we farmed but did not own. Cyrus One. Seemed odd at the time, very fancy outfit, but almost microscopic compared to what I was used to.

2 years ago, my dad was fighting cancer and about to die. Gets a call; “secret” data firm wants 120 acres just west of our home place 1/4 mile. Offers dad $13million……dad tells them to pound sand. Their counter was to buy up everything around the now 1300 acres that I farm alone, which all the other landlords including my own uncle jumped on. It’s all still pending, but the process has already started. Somewhere around $40k an acre. Ironically, the very south end of all this property buts right up next to their new water treatment facility.

2 months ago, get a letter from our local power company. They want to buy 37 acres from me that sits right next to the pending property and water facility. They need it to build a substation. It sits right underneath big power that they want to use….. I told them to F off. What do you want to bet this come back as an eminent domain situation?

Long story short. I’m living that Yellowstone shit in reality back here. There’s literally no dollar amount that could change my mind. I’m 7th generation and I intend on keeping it that way as long as I can. I guess when I can’t fight it any longer, I’ll start a “where’s a good place to move in Montana” thread 😉

People don’t consider the process with these things, they focus on what the ending will look like. They don’t consider the thousands of daily trucks, the traffic, the boom of out of town workers. I don’t need a bunch of guys from wherever up here working, looking at deer on my property. I don’t need to deal with destroyed roads, I don’t need the thousands of other ramifications that come with something like this. In the end, I’m sure it’ll all eventually take me, but you can bet I’ll be fighting tooth and nail till that day comes. Rant over
 
I suppose they could provide a fair bit of tax revenue, but if I were a local I would be concerned. There's a 5,000 acre data center project being proposed out by Broadview, Montana. That's a lot of land to be swallowed up by soulless buildings employing a marginal amount of people, a disproportionate number of which are likely to be H1-B Visa holders.

I do believe the environmental impacts are often overstated, but the power requirements for these operations don't seem to be met by current infrastructure, and when s#!t hits the fan it's not clear that they won't be given priority while the actual human beings on the grid will either pay more or have less reliable power.

AI is part of the future and data centers are a component of that, but the deals I have seen don't seem that sweet.
The older I get the more I think this movie is a real possibility.

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The older I get the more I think this movie is a real possibility.

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How long til someone's got an AI app to score game live through a digiscope?

I give it til this fall. Gonna be ugly/strange imo.

Data centers are very power intensive. Anyone with one going up in their area should be in time with their PUC and where rate increases from infrastructure are going to.
 
Ok, here goes. This is on my phone, so excuse the spelling and lack of grammar. I live and farm in Council Bluffs, Iowa; literally right across the river from Omaha, Nebraska. I’m 7th generation farmer here, it’s all I’ve ever known. I don’t know the exact time frame, but somewhere around 25 years ago, Google decided to start a data center about 15 miles south of us. Was a big deal, made the small time farmer that owned the 500 acres a multi millionaire over night. We custom farmed the ground from then on out for 5 or 6 years till it got so big, there was nothing left to farm. It was a nightmare to deal with and I was glad when we were done with it. 2nd year after selling, the farmer who sold had a massive heart attack snowmobiling out west, deader than a door nail. 25 years later, it looks like its own massive city, still nowhere near complete. THOUSANDS of side dumps every day pour in and out of that place. The enormity of it all, I still haven’t got used to.

My story: 20 years ago the city comes to us wanting some of our ground because they “need” another water treatment facility (we literally farm right on the Missouri River). We say not interested….a bunch of back and forth court bullshit and they’re building it on our land. Eminent Domain, for the “public Use”. A year later, we find out its soul purpose is to provide water to cool all the big computer deals at Google. 100% of that water is for googles use. They paid somewhere around 20k an acre for it.

10 years ago, another data company buys a small 30 acre farm we farmed but did not own. Cyrus One. Seemed odd at the time, very fancy outfit, but almost microscopic compared to what I was used to.

2 years ago, my dad was fighting cancer and about to die. Gets a call; “secret” data firm wants 120 acres just west of our home place 1/4 mile. Offers dad $13million……dad tells them to pound sand. Their counter was to buy up everything around the now 1300 acres that I farm alone, which all the other landlords including my own uncle jumped on. It’s all still pending, but the process has already started. Somewhere around $40k an acre. Ironically, the very south end of all this property buts right up next to their new water treatment facility.

2 months ago, get a letter from our local power company. They want to buy 37 acres from me that sits right next to the pending property and water facility. They need it to build a substation. It sits right underneath big power that they want to use….. I told them to F off. What do you want to bet this come back as an eminent domain situation?

Long story short. I’m living that Yellowstone shit in reality back here. There’s literally no dollar amount that could change my mind. I’m 7th generation and I intend on keeping it that way as long as I can. I guess when I can’t fight it any longer, I’ll start a “where’s a good place to move in Montana” thread 😉

People don’t consider the process with these things, they focus on what the ending will look like. They don’t consider the thousands of daily trucks, the traffic, the boom of out of town workers. I don’t need a bunch of guys from wherever up here working, looking at deer on my property. I don’t need to deal with destroyed roads, I don’t need the thousands of other ramifications that come with something like this. In the end, I’m sure it’ll all eventually take me, but you can bet I’ll be fighting tooth and nail till that day comes. Rant over
Keep fighting the good fight sir. There are not many left who cannot be bought. I would strongly encourage you to look into conservation easement or something similar if you haven't already for the future of your farm. I have a horror story of how far south a multi-generational family farm can go when you get just one that can't see past fiat currency. Might post the story on here someday but haven't decided if worthwhile.
 
Outlaw, You're gonna get peanuts under eminent domain and you can't stop it. Make some generational money and enjoy life.
The precedent all around me has been set, $40k minimum. It’s not about money, it’s about principal. With shit commodity prices and southern rust, I barely broke even. I literally don’t give 6 shots for any dollar amount. I’m 7th generation, and I hope my boy gets to see 8; then he can sell it all and go be a millionaire. Doesn’t interest me in the slightest
 
The precedent all around me has been set, $40k minimum. It’s not about money, it’s about principal. With shit commodity prices and southern rust, I barely broke even. I literally don’t give 6 shots for any dollar amount. I’m 7th generation, and I hope my boy gets to see 8; then he can sell it all and go be a millionaire. Doesn’t interest me in the slightest
Taking the money is incredibly short-sided IMO. Basically like saying, screw the next generation(s) that will have to deal with the repercussions that come with this, but hey I get to live x number of years as a "millionaire" because I couldn't make a million any other way. If you get sued and forced to that's different, stick to your principles, they are sound.

Wish my father would have had your resolve. My grandfather did, thought my father did, but we were all wrong.
 
A totally useless venture for mankind in general. Unless your a sales weasel or gubberment spy.
What data? For what? For whom? Gaming? Loan sharking? Grifting in general.
Short term gain for the few as usual.

There does not seem to be enough intelligence in the millions here to warrant a container of info...
 
I saw another article today Laramie County commissioners voting unanimously to approve a huge (1.8 gigawatt, eventually scaling to 10 GW) data center near Gillette, and there are a bunch in the works in Montana. Other than building industry and some tech support and custodial services, the number of ongoing jobs doesn't seem like it would be enough to change the makeup of a community. Does anybody have convincing arguments about how these provide a net benefit to actual residents of a community/state?
We are the engineers for most of the local utilities and municipalities, including a small water district just south of town. It is an amalgamation of half a dozen smaller systems that were failing to provide clean drinking water. They serve a mostly low-income area and have the highest water rates in the county ($150/mon). MSFT, as part of a data center build out, effectively paid for the completion of their entire CIP list, including water right aquicision, something the District could have never afforded. This will prevent future rate increases and provide significantly better fire protection.

Savvy entities know that you make the data center owner pay for every single utility impact plus 10-50% additional for the community. Neither of our PUDs give them a lick of power, and they charge them a substantial fee to deliver power (wheel) that the data center buys on the open market. This further subsides your power rates.

Outside of that, they are a terrible blight on the land. They only bring in modest tax revenue, and all the construction revenue is shipped to out-of-town companies.
 
Specialized major construction firms that aren't gonna be local.
Thats interesting. They're are several data centers that ive been on here. Majority if not all of them have all been local contractors. Probably has something to do with strong unions here. Nobody from out of town comes in to do our work. The general may be from out of town but the subs definitely aren't.
 

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