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    13- old son drew nonresident any bull tag

    Get to talk my son to Utah this September. Drew his first elk tag. Headed to Utah with the youth tag good for any of the general areas in the state. He's shot a small mule deer doe in the past but he's never been in an elk hunt. Given where we're likely headed, I expect elk will be high. We'll...
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    Elk River, Minnesota

    I live 8 miles from elk river. A few items: 1. You're at the intersection of Sherburne, Hennepin, and Wright counties. Wright County has a little lower property tax rates than Sherburne and much lower than Hennepin. 2. There's a public park in elk river that has been turned into a mountain...
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    Fatal grizzly encounter

    Sadly, that already exists in Chicago (800 murders in 2021), Philadelphia (500 murders in 2021) and elsewhere. It is a fallen, broken world.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Tough to start carving out Utah elk tags to random when they have so many 10+ pointholders today that if 100% of tags issued for the next 6 years only went to them, there would be no others left in limited entry draws. Tough to sell licenses to people with no point sales and no tags for the next...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Certainly a privilege, but not free when you do math. In Montana, 17,000 nonresident elk and combo tags and 4,600 deer tags equals $20 million a year. Excluding B tags, base hunting licenses, conservation fees, and of course, both preference and bonus point revenues. If a resident doesn't...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Making it random to me sounds great. But that's not the promise the state made to the guy who's currently been buying points for 20 years and playing by the rules. Capping points earned so nobody gets any more after they reach 10 gets everyone into the jump ball for the highest demand tags...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    My grandfather, just before his 19th birthday, left a teaching college in North Dakota to enlisted in the US Navy. Four weeks later, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Months later, he was piloting a dive bomber on a carrier in the Atlantic. He was shot down and pulled out of the Atlantic once...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Understood (I think.) My point is a priority landowner tag with a trespass fee v. a priority guide tag with a outfitter fee are both more expensive hunts that price some out of the tag. I don't like pricing folks out of hunting. However, the scarcity will be metered by something. It's time...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Tag allocation doesn't change in the idea I proposed.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Or guide tags where instead of paying a trespass fee, a hunter has to pay the licensed outfitter? Again, states get to do what they want. Today, several don't get any revenue from me because there's no meaningful path to use them. As my kids, seven of them aged 12 to 3, transition into...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    There are plenty of less popular tags less than 10 points in several states today. If you give a 7 point applicant a choice between burning his points or waiting there years and having his shot at max points level, doubtful more burn their points than those experiencing creep today.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Because states have made a promise to hunters and taken their money for decades. Can't just cast off their investment. Maybe one day of that's the goal, but need a path to get there.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Well said. A greater hunter voice comes with both a more dedicated hunter to hunter issues and more hunters.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Nope. Every 10+ because you still have to draw against the rest for the higher point tags but your in the game after 10. Less popular tags still are less than max points.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    I'd sure like to be able to predict as you say, but I'm not certain it's realistic to predict anything on a multi-year level with macroeconomic influence, hybrid systems, and bonus points v preference points where points are an advantage but not certainty even excluding creep.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    Agreed. I'm content with hunting every year. Because of this, my participation is limited to three states. It's less about budget than it is about value. However, if I could participate elsewhere where I believed I would get to use points, I'd buy. I'm not opposed to funding fish and wildlife...
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    That might work. Not opposed. Also not certain trading 10.0 point hunters for 10+ hunters is bad. A random draw at 10 points for higher demand tags still gives everyone who would have been 10+ a chance.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    They buy 10 points for the high point tags and they're eligible instead of buying 20 but never getting to the goal line.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    You are spot on correct. At least for many tags. But in the process, you've purged the system of 10+ point holders without punishing them (they've done nothing wrong) and you have converted from point creep to random draws for those higher point tags.
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    A Way to Repair Broken Points Systems?

    There's no creep past 10 points when max points is 10 points. It becomes a jump ball for max point holders. If the trustees of the wildlife trust in each state aren't managing the corpus for the direct or indirect benefit of the beneficiaries, in this case the resident hunters, that is fixable.
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