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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    BHA edited their Policy on this thread discussion a while ago after they gave us their time to tell them what has happened. Thought I'd give it to you here. It no longer includes the disinformation they received from messengers of the WSF. I too am a member of the BHA and appreciate all of their...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    I think it’s important to update this thread. After the BHA reviewed, with professionals, their original 2021 NORTH AMERICAN POLICY STATEMENT: REDUCING CONFLICT BETWEEN WILD SHEEP AND DOMESTIC SHEEP AND GOATS ON PUBLIC LANDS, as the title is correct it does not wrongfully and arbitrarily include...
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    Randy’s FB Hacked?

    Yes, I have. Something not right?
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Sore mouth (ORF) is principally found in sheep and goats. Other ruminants* that may on occasion develop sore mouth include musk oxen and gazelles. * A ruminant is an even-toed, cloven-hoofed mammal belonging to the suborder Ruminantia that digests plant-based food using a four-chambered...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Yes it is amazing, how misinformation flows. The suggesting, through pictures of ORF on wild sheep, that camelids somehow are responsible is the pinnacle of how desperate they are. I remember when they tried to do it in BC, even got some traction in the press, only to be batted down by the...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    page 4: Goal #2: Separation Ensure legislative or regulatory policies are in place to provide effective temporal and spatial separation between thinhorn sheep and domestic sheep or goats, in all U.S. and Canadian jurisdictions with thinhorn sheep. In cooperation with WSF Chapters and Affiliates...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    I agree and certainly understand. The messengers that concern this thread would be the Wild Sheep Foundation (really just a few hard core loyalists) and it's poorly thought out agenda to get rid of what they call "domestics" that arbitrarily now include pack llamas in wild sheep habitat. I say...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    If you assume the following: There would be a health certificate required for pack llamas and horses (for the most part on public lands). There currently is not, using the same protocol for goats. No, people do not get health certificates of this nature annually for llamas or horses. Most do...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    I believe you just validated exactly what I said. Just an FYI, the data, and anything you posted there for the SNF I'm keenly aware of, because I was involved with much of it. That's why I posted it.
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    I'm glad to see you post that the high mortality disease events in wild sheep are typically not related to species outside the caprids.
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    If you are referring to domestic goats used for packing to be tested, yes to finalize an agreement ( really not a mutual agreement) between the Shoshone National Forest and the Goat packing industry to allow pack goats anywhere outside core sheep habitat (because they were banned almost...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Garde, E., Kutz, S., Schwantje, H., Veitch, A., Jenkins, E., & Elkin, B. (2009). Examining the risk of disease transmission between wild Dall's sheep and mountain goats, and introduced domestic sheep, goats, and llamas in the northwest territories. Byers, S. R., Snekvik, K. R., Righter, D. J...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Also in CASSIRER (Pg 3, last paragraph column 1 and top of column 2) “Many Mycoplasma spp. are host-specific, and the host range of M. ovipneumoniae is considered to be limited to Caprinae (Nicholas et al. 2008). Respiratory disease following infection with M. ovipneumoniae also has been...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Exactly. I wish some truly interested people here would read the actual science and scientific research we have posted in this thread. The ASSRP position statement. The WAFWA-Wild Sheep Working Group 2016 which addresses spatial and temporal separation and taxa specie threats. And a whole lot...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    There is a huge difference between an interstate transportation health certificate, which by the way, most states require for camelids, and a series of lab tests created by a protocol designed by the WSF, simply to access public land ( and I've seen these, have you?). Its cost prohibited, and...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Yes, Bovidae is a very big family which resides in the Ruminatia sub order. Equids (horses) and Camelids (llamas) are not in the Bovidae family nor Ruminatia suborder. Pathogens tend to be species specific. And it the rare cases of cross over, the species tend to die very fast, and are not hosts...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    This is true, and to be clear, the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Wild Sheep Working Group posted the CCH-17 (we call it) on the front end of their web site, and immediately took it down once they realized it had serious development and content credibility. As did many...
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    Great question....I think I know?
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    You would have an incorrect assumption that the Wild Sheep Foundation used the best available science on this issue. They did not, it's politics. Been doing this for 35 years, way before WSF or BHA were around. And we will be contacting the BHA and their membership.
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    BHA Wild Sheep Policy Statement

    That research from 2003 you posted has been completely debunked. If you read further on that same site https://packllamas.org you will find out why and more up to date research and credible work. Don't take my word for it take the multiple agencies through their EIS process and researchers and...

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