Nick87
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It happens.I put over 7k on a credit card for this draw. My wifeâs gonna sh„t when she sees this bill! Put in my son and I for almost everything
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It happens.I put over 7k on a credit card for this draw. My wifeâs gonna sh„t when she sees this bill! Put in my son and I for almost everything
Night and day. 6B is the Valles Caldera National Preserve. Different rules, tons of Elk, once and a lifetime experience, draw odds almost impossible. 6A is a good hunt, but more typical of public land NM hunt, low to moderate draw odds.Can someone talk to me about unit 6 and the differences between A and B.
How does 6A compare to 6C?Night and day. 6B is the Valles Caldera National Preserve. Different rules, tons of Elk, once and a lifetime experience, draw odds almost impossible. 6A is a good hunt, but more typical of public land NM hunt, low to moderate draw odds.
How does 6A compare to 6C?
Thank you sir!I would look at the draw odds and harvest reports to get an idea. In general, 6A is managed for a better hunt. Has wilderness and generally more high country.
Rookie numbers! I think I landed at more than $8k all by myself! It helps that I don't have to justify my decisions to a wife or anyone else (trying to enjoy that while it lasts...).I put over 7k on a credit card for this draw. My wifeâs gonna sh„t when she sees this bill! Put in my son and I for almost everything
As a NR, those low-tier meat hunt odds aren't much better either nowadays....unfortunately.Iâve been hunting NM since my first Western trip back in 1996. Over the years, Iâve watched the odds for my favorite unit drop gradually from 90% to this yearâs all time low 2%. This is definitely not a trophy class unit. Strictly mid-tier. Three other low-tier units I hunted over the years also dropped to ~2% which blew my mind. These are definitely not what I would call trophy units. So this is the first time I have abandoned all my known units and strictly went with low-tier meat bull units with better draw odds. I just wanna archery elk hunt somewhere.
What do you mean by better hunt.I would look at the draw odds and harvest reports to get an idea. In general, 6A is managed for a better hunt. Has wilderness and generally more high country.
Yes, before the outfitter welfare legislation I drew my first 6 consecutive years, including the Valle Vidal, units 49, 52 & 45. The archery odds were ~90% those years. My how things have changed. I've not drawn any of these archery hunts since 2011. 0 fer eleven, even via the guided pool (for drop camps) four times.As a NR, those low-tier meat hunt odds aren't much better either nowadays....unfortunately.
Did you used to pretty much draw ever year back in the 90's and early 2000's?
That probably has very little to do with the outfitter pool and way more to do with the total number of draw entries growing every years.Yes, before the outfitter welfare legislation I drew my first 6 consecutive years, including the Valle Vidal, units 49, 52 & 45. The archery odds were ~90% those years. My how things have changed. I've not drawn any of these archery hunts since 2011. 0 fer eleven, even via the guided pool (for drop camps) four times.
Totally agree. However, I can tell you the odds for my unit 45 archery flipped from 90% to 10% the year of the welfare legislation, and only got worse. It was very significant. NR tags dropped what?âŠ..from 16% to 6%? Been a while I forgot the exact numbers. Since then the blind masses have overwhelmed the odds, aided by UT & NV attaining unrealistic status. I sure donât expect to draw anything anymore there, even with opportunity hunts as my choices. Itâs all about wealth tags now. Am fortunate I made hay when the going was good.That probably has very little to do with the outfitter pool and way more to do with the total number of draw entries growing every years.
Youtube, OnX, info on the internet like this forum contribute to so much more knowledge and access to western hunting and growing applicants.
The outfitter pool maybe takes 1 to 3 tags out of a potential 10% allocation to NR in most units.
Yet the appilcant numbers per huntcode are just huge in comparison to the number of tags.
If the outfitter pool didnt exist your odds would be virtually the same as a NR or Resident alike.
I think a better option is to have simple NR or R tags, and have the outfitters get good enough at consistently getting clients on big animals that they appeal to NR with tags.Never understood why they call it Outfitter welfare. It gives the mostly NM resident outfitter income from NM elk and also gives someone a tag to hunt NM elk. All elk units were easy to draw at one time then the internet and the tv shows came along.
People started making a living by promoting hunting, 3 or 4 channels on satellite tv and hundreds of videos online making it look easy to go kill a 350â bullâŠ.the rest is history. Now, as a NM resident Iâm buying a LO tag to hunt elk on years I donât draw. Very thankful to be able to do that too as I might not get lucky in the draw for several years or longer.
This and the slim odds of a dream hunt keep me hooked as well.If NM wasnât close, and I wasnât a sucker for dinky mule deer, Iâm not sure NM would be a part of my application strategy today.