Hornady 7 PRC a Lie?

[Forkyfinder]

I got no dog in this fight, but 140-168s in 7mm have been killing the biggest critters short of dangerous game without any issue for a very long time.

Marketing hype for heavy/high bc stuff is also real.

My favorite bullet in 7mm is the 143 hammer and I’ve got no doubts it’ll kill anything in North America

Its not marketing hype that those bullets will be garbage in comparision at 500 yards and beyond.

I like long range shooting, practicing, and hunting with all the same bullet/load. High quality, high bc, heavy, low expansion velocity bullets provides that comfortably.

 

[nhenry]

Its not marketing hype that those bullets will be garbage in comparision at 500 yards and beyond.

I like long range shooting, practicing, and hunting with all the same bullet/load. High quality, high bc, heavy, low expansion velocity bullets provides that comfortably.

Can’t argue with that. I do not hunt or shoot past 400 usually, so I’m content with what has worked. Even when I go back home to my parents and have access to the 850 yard range, I’m not likely to switch bullets.

 

[mtmuley]

think id rather be able to shoot heavier bullets than lighter ones.

Why? mtmuley

 

[Forkyfinder]

Why? mtmuley

Retained velocity. Wind drift. And drop.

Matters a lot more for ringing steel than killing - ill admit.

 

[mtmuley]

Matters a lot more for ringing steel than killing - ill admit.

Exactly. More hype than anything. There was a survey on LRH I think that showed even hunters on that site kept shots under 500 yards. In the high 90's percentile I believe. mtmuley

 

[Deleted member 48080]

7MM MAGNUM

'Nuff said.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Exactly. More hype than anything. There was a survey on LRH I think that showed even hunters on that site kept shots under 500 yards. In the high 90's percentile I believe. mtmuley

eh - more to do with interests.

My rifles do a lot more than hunt. Ever shoot steel at 1k?

 

[mtmuley]

eh - more to do with interests.

My rifles do a lot more than hunt. Ever shoot steel at 1k?

Yep. 1400 the furthest so far. mtmuley

 

[Doublecluck]

If you want to shoot long range 7 prc > 7 rm unless you have a custom chamber.

Someone should tell that to the 6 dasher guys winning matches shooting 2850 when they can get 3k with a 6 creedmore in the same bullet.

Lot more to shooting long range than fastest velocity and highest bc.

I was shooting 7mm 168 vlds beyond 1k long before the 7prc came along to make it possible.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Someone should tell that to the 6 dasher guys winning matches shooting 2850 when they can get 3k with a 6 creedmore in the same bullet.

Lot more to shooting long range than fastest velocity and highest bc.

I was shooting 7mm 168 vlds beyond 1k long before the 7prc came along to make it possible.

what about 7 rm is better?

Not a damn thing. Other than fudlore, "it works", and dumbarses thinking that belt at the bottom of the case does something besides making reloading suck.

 

[mtmuley]

what about 7 rm is better?

Not a damn thing. Other than fudlore, "it works", and dumbarses thinking that belt at the bottom of the case does something besides making reloading suck.

Wow. Tell Doublecluck all about why don't you? mtmuley

 

[Forkyfinder]

Wow. Tell Doublecluck all about why don't you? mtmuley

Its objective.

If owned a 7rm - id tell you that its got its own advantages over 7 prc (availability, speed with lighter bullets). None of them include superior performance long range - including and especially with factory rifles and ammo.

 

[Doublecluck]

what about 7 rm is better?

Not a damn thing. Other than fudlore, "it works", and dumbarses thinking that belt at the bottom of the case does something besides making reloading suck.

lol! your all caught up in the fan boy club huh? I could care less, I’m not saying it’s better. Piece of steel or an elk standing at 1k wouldn’t know the difference.

168 vld out of my factory 7rm

180 eldm out of my prc if (if I could get 3000).

Like I said earlier 7prc makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, certainly those who don’t reload and shoot boxes.






That belt has had zero effect on my life in the 5000+ rds I’ve reloaded.

Here’s how far I could load them if I wanted. Looks like about 3/8” more with a custom reamer.

Case capacity 7rm 82
Case capacity 7prc 73

 

[cgasner1]

It’s always the wind that gets me not the elevation the drop isn’t a big deal but that wind at a grand would be

 

[Doublecluck]

It’s always the wind that gets me not the elevation the drop isn’t a big deal but that wind at a grand would be

I’m not that great, the relationship of wind/BC/velocity at and past 1k usually translates in to something like this. Oops! Little more wind.

 

[Forkyfinder]

lol! your all caught up in the fan boy club huh? I could care less, I’m not saying it’s better. Piece of steel or an elk standing at 1k wouldn’t know the difference.

168 vld out of my factory 7rm

180 eldm out of my prc if (if I could get 3000).

Like I said earlier 7prc makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, certainly those who don’t reload and shoot boxes.




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That belt has had zero effect on my life in the 5000+ rds I’ve reloaded.

Here’s how far I could load them if I wanted. Looks like about 3/8” more with a custom reamer. View attachment 321766

Case capacity 7rm 82
Case capacity 7prc 73

Compare load data. All that extra case capacity gets you... less velocity? Shorter fatter cases providing more powder efficiency is nothing new.

Again - it is objective that the case design for 7 prc is superior from the start for long range shooting. You can get different twists, different throat lengths, and make it very similar.

Im not trying to say that 7 prc is miles ahead. It isnt. Its incrementally improved with modern engineering.

If i owned a 7rm - theres no way id get rid of it to get a PRC.

 

[cgasner1]

I’m not that great, the relationship of wind/BC/velocity at and past 1k usually translates in to something like this. Oops! Little more wind.

I play the odds and usually hold for a little heavier than I thought

 

[Doublecluck]

Compare load data. All that extra case capacity gets you... less velocity? Shorter fatter cases providing more powder efficiency is nothing new.

Again - it is objective that the case design for 7 prc is superior from the start for long range shooting. You can get different twists, different throat lengths, and make it very similar.

Im not trying to say that 7 prc is miles ahead. It isnt. Its incrementally improved with modern engineering.

If i owned a 7rm - theres no way id get rid of it to get a PRC.

You have to admit there is some great marketing going on here. No less than 10 guys told me I should do a 7 prc over a 28 Nosler for xyz..blah blah! But hey I’m not complaining about 80$ ADG clearance brass or 195’s in stock.

According to Hornady 7prc
175 Gr 2950 is more realistic
180 Gr 2900 maybe

https://static.hornady.media/site/hornady/files/load-data/7mm-prc.pdf

180 ELD-M in 7 RM Anyone?

So currently shooting 180 berger hybrids with H1000 and was thinking about switching to the 180 ELDm just because I shoot a lot of hornady bullets and have had great luck with them. The bergers shoot incredible also but they are hit or miss in finding them. Just wondering if anyone is shooting...

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In the 168 class bullets they are essentially the same. At sammi coal’s.






There are piles of guys out there getting more than advertised out of the 7rm.

7mm Rem - 195 EOL load data

Finally had time to develop a load for my 7mm rem , 24” proof Elevation MTR. And it is a beast!! It has a long free bore so this information is for my rifle only, and is posted for informational purposes only. Not much load data was available for the 195 EOL. So thought I’d post this Details...

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In an off the shelf go buy a box of ammo situation, and especially since Hornady seems to be the only one consistently producing ammo. Hands down the 7prc is a better option.

 

[Forkyfinder]

You have to admit there is some great marketing going on here. No less than 10 guys told me I should do a 7 prc over a 28 Nosler for xyz..blah blah! But hey I’m not complaining about 80$ ADG clearance brass or 195’s in stock.

According to Hornady 7prc
175 Gr 2950 is more realistic
180 Gr 2900 maybe

https://static.hornady.media/site/hornady/files/load-data/7mm-prc.pdf

180 ELD-M in 7 RM Anyone?

So currently shooting 180 berger hybrids with H1000 and was thinking about switching to the 180 ELDm just because I shoot a lot of hornady bullets and have had great luck with them. The bergers shoot incredible also but they are hit or miss in finding them. Just wondering if anyone is shooting...

www.longrangehunting.com

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In the 168 class bullets they are essentially the same. At sammi coal’s.




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There are piles of guys out there getting more than advertised out of the 7rm.

7mm Rem - 195 EOL load data

Finally had time to develop a load for my 7mm rem , 24” proof Elevation MTR. And it is a beast!! It has a long free bore so this information is for my rifle only, and is posted for informational purposes only. Not much load data was available for the 195 EOL. So thought I’d post this Details...

rokslide.com

In an off the shelf go buy a box of ammo situation, since Hornady seems to be the only one consistently producing ammo. Hands down the 7prc is the better option.

I dont think "better marketing" is the ABSOLUTE answer of why some things sell better. It sure helps if you compare the same bullet weights.

The nosler cartridges are of little to no interest to me. They dont really do much that existing 375 h&h based magnums dont already do pretty much the same. If your 7rm rifle is twisted correctly, you change the mag box to the longer aics, if you handload. My 03 gmc is better than a new truck - if i change a lot about it!

I guess the guys at choice ammo are in on the marketing trick too - somehow the prc is faster again with less powder. Maybe they are in bed with that utard lawyer, hornady, and everyone else on this conspiracy.

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Hand loaded 7mm PRC ammunition in 195 Berger EOL Bullets. Perfect for hunting elk, deer, bear and other big game hunting.

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7MM Remington Magnum 195 Grain BERGER EOL~100% HAND LOADED !!

7MM REMINGTON MAGNUM 195 Grain Berger EOL hand loaded ammunition

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I will say - theres not really a "need" for a new cartridge. Incrementally small improvements.

 

[mtmuley]

I dont think "better marketing" is the ABSOLUTE answer of why some things sell better.

The nosler cartridges are of little to no interest to me. They dont really do much that existing 375 h&h based magnums dont already do pretty much the same. If your 7rm rifle is twisted correctly, you change the mag box to the longer aics, if you handload. My 03 gmc is better than a new truck - if i change a lot about it!

I guess the guys at choice ammo are in on the marketing trick too - somehow the prc is faster again with less powder. Maybe they are in bed with that utard lawyer, hornady, and everyone else on this conspiracy.

7MM PRC 195 GRAIN BERGER EOL~100% HAND-LOADED!!

Hand loaded 7mm PRC ammunition in 195 Berger EOL Bullets. Perfect for hunting elk, deer, bear and other big game hunting.

choiceammunition.com

7MM Remington Magnum 195 Grain BERGER EOL~100% HAND LOADED !!

7MM REMINGTON MAGNUM 195 Grain Berger EOL hand loaded ammunition

choiceammunition.com

I will say - theres not really a "need" for a new cartridge. Incrementally small improvements.

36 fps? mtmuley