I'm one of the new guys here and one of the draws for me is that it didn't seem to be much of the "mine is bigger than yours" type posts. My selective participation has kept me under the rock so to speak! Glad to be here, back to my rock.
Big Fin, Please do not delete this forum. Honestly, it has helped keep me while going through a tough time (multiple surgeries, rehab, loss of mobility). Heck, I even made a friend of a neighbor off of this. Shout out to JLS. I appreciate you, your passion, and personality so much. It’s what our hunting community needs, a level head.Yup. Expect a lot of deleted accounts in the next week.
When some of our most valuable members write me and ask to be removed from the forum, it is a wake up call for me. I think my effort to be tolerant has reached the point of being a detriment to the value the forum could have.
The topics being started, the multi-registrations I can't catch when I'm on the road, the infiltration of the Facebook-esque political bitching and moaning that results in completely unacceptable behavior is enough.
It's been seven tough months for me. I'm at the crossroads where I either close this forum or I just start deleting threads and banning the habitual offenders, no matter if they're my family, my neighbor, my hunting friends, or a complete stranger.
That's where it's at. I fund this forum with other sources of income, as I had always hoped it had value, and it has over the years. Sitting in the SLC airport this morning, reading the mountains of reported threads and posts, then going back to the recent trends of that in the last year, was more than I cared to deal with.
I sent some PMs asking folks to behave and interact according the rules in post #1 above. So far today the replies were GFY, to I might be headed for an ass kicking, to a bunch of defensive complaints about me and how I run a forum. I've had enough.
To get an email from a friend who has contributed great value to this forum for many years, stating that he no longer has any use for the topics discussed and the level of juvenile behavior, is the wake up for me.
Expect a lot of closed threads and a lot of banned members. No warnings, no reasons, just hitting the reset button. The forum interactions and the topics have slowly moved to a place that does not reflect who I am and what our goals are for this forum.
That sucks. Wouldn’t it be great if this was a place where we could talk about hard stuff respectfully? A sign of a healthy relationship is open peaceful conversation around challenging topics. I for one know that I need to learn multiple perspectives. I want to hear your side. I want to learn and understand.Thanks Finn. Because of the number of anti-mining, grazing, ranching, etc. I have been reluctant to share my experiences on the forum. It is your forum that we share and thank you. I like hunting but I am sick of politics. I believe we all have valuable experiences and thoughts to share however there are some that believe that THEY have the only valid thought. I choose to pick through the shared thoughts for what improves my hunt. I don't demand that I have the only functioning opinion. I find the forum to be valuable and entertaining. I would prefer the political battles be on a differant media. Neither side will be changed by the in fighting.
Perhaps if it wasn't for the "old farts" diligently working for years with fish & game departments, the young people with disrespectful opinions would not have a platform to expound their "Wisdom"The reality... this banter is nothing new.
Politics were arrogantly preached and snarky direct personal attacks were a common theme from some of the "valued members". We could quote away though... those of earlier years know the reality.
I think as the Big man audience captured more and more interest, those who fit the DIY theme and the conservation / public land joined.
Sheesh personal attacks were par for the course. Personally, what I think annoys the "old guard" so to say, new people with differing opinions raising old hackles.
People questioning some of those "valued members" who hold a following. The pom pom squad or hyenas come out with a tribal roar - the power of the conch.
Earlier it was the same old farts ranting political jabs about the NRA, Liberals, Conservatives...
Nothing changed other than new blood questioning old blood and Big Fin drawing a new line in the sand that's included specifically kicking friends and others of the "old guard" if they can't keep their chit in check.
"Political banter" I think should be left to politics.Old farts used liberally... hell, I consider myself an old fart. I was involved just as much with the yammering of NRA, Liberals, and Conservatives.
Re-read the paragraph. Nothing to do with conservation, public lands, etc. Much ado about general political banter.
Better yet, re-read the entire post. It essentiay shares... the same content, per capita, as now.
This OffPoint? Hah!
Like a good wine, sometimes it's an aquired taste. Extra Dry or not, to each their own. I like a good Merlot, goes with anythingJumped right in! lol I bit my nails for a week coming up with 13 posts…
It's easy when you were born and raised in Seattle in the 50s ( different place then ) everywhere Water and Snow, ski on water in the morning go up to Snoqualmie Pass in the afternoon and ski the snow.Touché Mr. Case. I hope I’m scuba diving at 75! That’s awesome!