Southern Wyoming Land Swap and Dam Proposal

BuzzH

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I actually think there's going to be a lot of dams built in our future. For those regions with a Mediterranean climate (no rain all summer) and no glacial storage or extensive aquifers, there will have to be a way to store water for people to drink. Can you reduce Ag in these areas? Sure. But there will come a point when reduction can only go so far, when drought diminishes stream flows down to the point where we're either protecting fish or people, or maybe neither. A lot of people don't think of western OR or WA are dry areas, but they can be. All of the large metropolitan areas of both states rely on large reservoir storage for drinking water.

The key will be improving dam siting and designs to minimize maintenance and environmental impacts.

But none of that means this dam fits that mold.
Agree on the need for drinking water, but I don't believe dams are the answer.

Minimal maintenance and minimal environment impacts don't exist when it comes to damming rivers in my experience.

Like choosing between chopping off your right hand or left hand, neither is a desirable outcome.

I think you also touched on this, but I don't see the population of Baggs WY ever reaching a point where a reservoir is needed for drinking water. Plus, they have High Savery already dammed.
 

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I actually think there's going to be a lot of dams built in our future. For those regions with a Mediterranean climate (no rain all summer) and no glacial storage or extensive aquifers, there will have to be a way to store water for people to drink. Can you reduce Ag in these areas? Sure. But there will come a point when reduction can only go so far, when drought diminishes stream flows down to the point where we're either protecting fish or people, or maybe neither. A lot of people don't think of western OR or WA are dry areas, but they can be. All of the large metropolitan areas of both states rely on large reservoir storage for drinking water.

The key will be improving dam siting and designs to minimize maintenance and environmental impacts.

But none of that means this dam fits that mold.
We should be able to build a damn that fits the mold. Our economy is so strong that a person that made 13 billion dollars in one day can go to space in 🍆 🍆. This billionaire also pays little to no taxes (2018) each year. If he had paid the average US tax rate that day his fair share would have been about $2,912,000,000.
 

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Agree on the need for drinking water, but I don't believe dams are the answer.

Minimal maintenance and minimal environment impacts don't exist when it comes to damming rivers in my experience.

Like choosing between chopping off your right hand or left hand, neither is a desirable outcome.

I think you also touched on this, but I don't see the population of Baggs WY ever reaching a point where a reservoir is needed for drinking water. Plus, they have High Savery already dammed.
In river dams are definitely less desirable than off channel, but you have to get the water there somehow. I like the idea of small dams, in areas above natural fish passage barriers. Baggs may not, but it's still probably better than 95% of Arizona (if not 100%) and Phoenix is going away any time soon. But if the intent is simply farming around there, that seems like a silly waste of money.
 
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Hammsolo

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I love when humans think they can control the environment, especially the idea that making changes to one variable won’t effect another, let alone the whole system.
 

Bighollow

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Being a Wyoming resident I never really knew where the Little Snake river empties out. Now I can see why this is a water war issue as the Reservoir being proposed is a tributary of Battle Creek which flows into the Little Snake River which flows down into Colorado and then empties into the Yampa River a tributary of the Colorado. The Little Snake river water is part of the Colorado River Compact. Wyoming only utilizes 565,000 acre feet of the upper states allotment of Lake Powell but is authorized 1.05 Million acre feet of Lake Powell where the water is measured and calculated in the agreement. Wyoming is rushing to get more water projects approved before the Bureau of Reclamation places a moratorium on all users. It seems like just expanding Flaming Gorge or Fontenelle would be a better use of water storage.
 

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This whole idea of this dam is by the ranchers, for the ranchers and nothing but the ranchers. So help me God.
 

Hammsolo

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This whole idea of this dam is by the ranchers, for the ranchers and nothing but the ranchers. So help me God.
They definitely are the ones to gain the most. I can’t believe the power that ranchers still have a greatly evolved and diversifying economy. I am not anti-rancher. I have rancher friends. This reminds me of public land grazing….
 
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