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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    I should add that some of our greatest increases in Mule deer here in Utah occurred during this drought. Drought would be another single issue, but yes, taken into the whole, it is very much a part of the bigger dynamic picture, I am not completely dismissing that.
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    You don't have to treat every square inch. Much of this is very targeted. It involves treatment of winter ranges, and many treated right of ways are migration corridors. So I'm damned If I accept pictures from the public, but I'm also damned if I disagree with someones perception of what they...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Like I said, I don't know the Palouse, I don't know the 40 year trend lines or anything else about it. I do know that elsewhere when we see wildlife feeding on pesticide treated vegetation, I can document mineral deficiencies and malformations. I would need a time line and other info, an icrease...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Agreed on all counts. I'm not looking to be that voice. With the past as the pattern, I am looking to enrich the Leopold camp on this, giving foundation to a Roosevelt voice.
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Now that I think about it, Roosevelt was kind of a brash asshole too. I probably need to reevaluate some of what he had to say as well.........
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Even if I sugar coated this, and placed a cherry on top, the response would be the same. I have tested this. So me being me, is what I do.
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    I dismiss the theory of relativity, because Einstein was an atheist.................... Has me being brash turned people off to this? Yes, no doubt about it. Have people come around over the years? Yes. The OP used to argue with me relentlessly. My persistence, if I can reframe it as that, has...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    We have a member that has been looking at that, at a production site level, it is absolutely part of the equation. I am well aware of the use of herbicides on pipelines. I watched one come through 20 years ago before our biggest declines, and I am looking at another that came through in 2011...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Which is why politics drives wildlife management, and the decline of scientifically sound wildlife conservation. Sorry, I'm not a politician. I get what you are saying, I really do, I understand that kind of pragmatism. But it has not worked in the last 40 years, what says it is going to work...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    I never said that weather does not play a role, I have expounded upon how it does play a role, and how pesticides(and other inputs) exacerbate that very ebb and flow you mention. We saw a heavy winter in the early '80s that had a big impact on mule deer across the West. Those deer populations...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Another thing about Hanford deer. The Battelle study did test brain samples for pesticides, and did find insecticides, and metabolites of other pesticides. No other toxins were found. They were probably using a standard panel that tested for several common pesticides. From what I am getting from...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    I did not reject the idea of research on domestic animals, I only pointed out that ethically, and from a regulatory point of view, I can't do that. There is no need currently, with elk, moose, and mule deer that have been exposed to look at. I have owned pesticide exposed(previous owner)...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    mtmuley, more on the Bitterroot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12602857 This covers some of the skewed at birth sex ratios. As you said, its like ground zero, the problem is that MT F&G is hostile to the research and researchers, just like is the case in Wyoming, and here in Utah. This...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    My assertions are supported by several other researchers, and their related work. All of the peer reviewed work on selenium deficiencies, is not my bias, it is what has been documented by many scientists, across the West. Many of these same scientists concur with my assessment of pesticide...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Hunting Wife, More on Hanford. We don't have selenium numbers for these deer, but we do have thyroxine levels which can correlate if we are looking at thyroid function. Thyroxine levels were low, as were copper levels of affected deer. The other thing we see is very high buck to doe ratios. You...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    And you have dropped how many pieces of peer reviewed science, and demonstrated what depth of knowledge on the actual scientific subject matter presented, in any sort of attempt to support your anecdotal observations, that are supposed to refute my "junk science"? Seriously? I'll ask you like I...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    This has been done for 20 years in the Bitterroot. Most of this information: http://rutalocura.com/wildlife_docs was compiled there by a researcher named Judy Hoy. I was originally a Hoy skeptic, but after going over just about everything that she has done, I can only find one fault. The...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    You dislike certain politics, that's fine, but what about the actual science of this?
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    Hanford: If you read the entire study, you will see that over 50 herbicides are and have been used on Hanford. This study is going on 20 years old, metals have since been taken out of the equation. And infectious agents, though present in the testes, is most likely secondary to the atrophy...
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    Has the science left wildlife management?

    The biggest mule deer declines in the west correlate with the largest expansions of pesticide use. The first being the late '60s, the second being the late '80s/early '90s, and we are in the middle of the third right now. Elk competition plays in some places, but the area I grew up watching and...

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